Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Dave CROCKER
there you go, defeating the real purpose of these threads. stop trying to be practical. d/ ps. whither? i'm staying at the van der valk hotel. On 7/24/2010 8:13 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: How about if we ONLY had a privacy policy which pertained to the data we have to collect in order to regis

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Ole Jacobsen
How about if we ONLY had a privacy policy which pertained to the data we have to collect in order to register people for our meetings? It seems reasonable to have a statement that says we (the secretariat or its agents) will only use the info as needed to process payments etc, will not use the da

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Fred Baker
The IETF has a legal home, named ISOC. Let me rephrase: "Do you think ISOC is not subject to the laws of Europe?" Good grief. On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:33 AM, John Levine wrote: >> You appear to be concerned about exposing the IETF to risk by the >> adoption of a privacy policy (but apologies i

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:30:24AM +0200, Dave CROCKER wrote: > We should stop talking about this topic as if we were lawyers and start > talking as if we cared about how agents of the IETF handle sensitive > information. That is what I understand the practical purpose of a > privacy policy to

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 7/24/2010 6:11 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I am not personally convinced that another policy is a good idea, especially if it has no practical consequences; At this point, I'd go further and say /specifically/ if it has no practical consequences. To the point: A 'policy' does not mean

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I must admit that I am not following this. What organization are you > talking about ? > ISOC ? The IETF Trust ? Something else ? The analogy coming from those arguing for the privacy policy has been, in part, "The IETF should h

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:22:26PM -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote: We certainly live with some complicated arrangements... Without wishing to weigh in on whether the privacy policy is a good idea, I think that "living with" was an important pa

Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:22:26PM -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > We certainly live with some complicated arrangements... Without wishing to weigh in on whether the privacy policy is a good idea, I think that "living with" was an important part of John Levine's argument up-thread. In many cases,

FW: Nomcom 2010-2011: Final List of Nomcom Members

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Walsh
-Original Message- From: NomCom Chair [mailto:nomcom-ch...@ietf.org] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:48 PM To: IETF Announcement list Subject: Nomcom 2010-2011: Final List of Nomcom Members Hi Folks, All of the Voting Members chosen by the random selection have been contacted and confir

Re: Last Call: draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check (Representation and Verification of Domain-Based Application Service Identity in Certificates Used with Transport Layer Security) to Proposed Standa

2010-07-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Sorry, I haven't yet had a chance to review the feedback that's been provided during this Last Call. I'll do that en route to Maastricht today. Next week Jeff and I will discuss in person the points that have been raised, and then we'll post further regarding our proposed changes to the spec. Pete

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Narten
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RE: Wallet theft in Brussels train station

2010-07-23 Thread Ross Callon
Thanks for the warning. I just arrived in Maastricht (via train from Brussels), and I did notice quite a few people, mostly middle aged men, standing around looking idle in places where you would not expect people waiting for trains to stand. Your warning might very well have saved me or other