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From: David T. Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:32 PM
To: Bora Akyol; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Writing Internet Drafts on a Macintosh
HI,
Yesterday, I picked up the MS-WORD template and the program
From: Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:41:30 -0500
> AND that these are the same people with archaic browsers and
> e-mail clients that can't handle recent advances in technology - even to
> the point of using "dumb" devices that can only handle ASCII?
Johnny Eriksson wrote:
> Stephen McHenry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...AND that these are the same people with archaic browsers and
> > e-mail clients that can't handle recent advances in technology
> > - even to the point of using "dumb" devices that can only handle
> > ASCII?
>
> Not everyo
Somewhere in the flood of email on this topic which is filling my inbox, we
have lost track of the fact that the IETF does not produce documents only for
its own use. The idea is that everyone everywhere should have access to them
and the least common denominator is still ASCII. (At least, the
Stephen McHenry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am I the only one that finds a certain bit of irony in the fact that the
> last IETF conference provided "peek at the future" style networking - i.e.,
> 11MB 802.11 wireless throughout the entire hotel, so that people could
> literally walk from one
>> Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts
> just a sec. traditionally, we have this discussion every six months.
> it has not been six months yet.
And the poisson is due to start its five year cycle to
discuss about the future format of an RFC. The last
consensus (1996) wa
At 8:39 AM -0500 2/22/01, Rich Sena wrote:
> Bora - use BBEDIT from Bare Bones http://www.barebones.com/ it is by far
> the most versatile editing package and geared for taks such as that...
I have a small program I wrote a few years ago to format I-Ds. I
write them using BBEdit, then run th
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:50:36PM -0800, Bora Akyol wrote:
Hi Everyone,
> Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> using Lynx on a terminal)?
Honestly, I consider HTML a language not suitable
HI,
Yesterday, I picked up the MS-WORD template and the program to
fix up the resulting output. I'm using Word 2000. For me, there
were problems with both the template and the program. If I fix
them, I'll send an update to rfc-editor after the I-D deadline
is over - don't have time now. sorry.
P
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:50:36PM -0800, Bora Akyol wrote:
Hi Everyone,
> Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> using Lynx on a terminal)?
Honestly, I consider HTML a language not suitable
Patrick,
Thank you for your most helpful pointer:
> I recently had my first experience using the setup described by
> Marshall Rose in rfc2629 (Writing I-Ds and RFCs using XML) and was
> very pleased. You should be able to create the XML base in Word (or
> whatever) and use the referenced tools
> AND that these are the same people with archaic browsers and
> e-mail clients that can't handle recent advances in technology - even to
> the point of using "dumb" devices that can only handle ASCII?
I doubt that any of those laptops could handle only ASCII.
But the fact is, many experts prefe
At 13.36 -0500 01-02-22, Keith Moore wrote:
>sure, and it's a fine way to create an I-D if you have the tools.
>but if you have the tools to create an XML document then you probably
>also have the tools to create an I-D in ASCII.
I write the XML in a text editor, aka email equivalent. The DTD is
>these are the same people with archaic browsers and
>e-mail clients that can't handle recent advances in technology - even to
>the point of using "dumb" devices that can only handle ASCII?
"On the other hand," he said, drawing himself up to his full height
and putting on his 'serious' face,
> > > Then, IMO ietf needs to define a set of XML tags and instead of 'well
> >> defined' or valid HTML we will have 'valid' XML and it will be indexable
> >> and the same every time, otherwise it won't render. :)
> >
> >a fine idea and certanily doable, though it wouldn't allow people
> >to pr
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 08:05:42AM -0800, Stephen McHenry wrote:
> At 05:04 AM 2/22/2001, David C Lawrence wrote:
> > > > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> > > > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> > > > using Lynx on a termin
At 08.02 -0500 01-02-22, V Guruprasad wrote:
>On Wed 2001.02.21, Bora Akyol wrote:
>
>> I am trying (trying is the key word) to write Internet drafts on a
>> powerbook using MS Word with the template from the IETF web-site,
>> then using a PC to convert Word to text per the instructions.
>>
>>
At 11.21 -0500 01-02-22, Keith Moore wrote:
> > Then, IMO ietf needs to define a set of XML tags and instead of 'well
>> defined' or valid HTML we will have 'valid' XML and it will be indexable
>> and the same every time, otherwise it won't render. :)
>
>a fine idea and certanily doable, though
> From: Bill Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...
> re HTML/PDF: cut&paste?
> text search?
> ease of conversion to other formats?
Many, but certainly not all of the strong advocates for other formats
don't know, understand, or care about doing any o
At 05:04 AM 2/22/2001, David C Lawrence wrote:
> > > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> > > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> > > using Lynx on a terminal)?
> >
> > and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
> Then, IMO ietf needs to define a set of XML tags and instead of 'well
> defined' or valid HTML we will have 'valid' XML and it will be indexable
> and the same every time, otherwise it won't render. :)
a fine idea and certanily doable, though it wouldn't allow people
to produce or read I-Ds
> > and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
>
> I'd like to see us accept HTML
Ugh. Do we have to do this whole thread **again**???
allman
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Mark Allman -- BBN/NASA GRC -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/
>just a sec. traditionally, we have this discussion every six months. it
>has not been six months yet.
If this trend keeps up, eventually all IETF discussions
will be centered on this one subject, which, ironically
enough, has nothing to do with actual engineering.
Who says the universe ha
%
% > > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
% > > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
% > > using Lynx on a terminal)?
% >
% > and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
%
% I'd like to see us accept HTML as a
V Guruprasad wrote:
> > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> > using Lynx on a terminal)?
>
> and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
Drafts become RFCs, and RFCs live
> > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> > using Lynx on a terminal)?
>
> and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
I'd like to see us accept HTML as an alternate forma
> Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts
just a sec. traditionally, we have this discussion every six months. it
has not been six months yet.
randy
[Bora Akyol: Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:50:36PM -0800]
> I am trying (trying is the key word) to write Internet drafts on a
> powerbook using MS Word with the template from the IETF web-site,
> then using a PC to convert Word to text per the instructions.
>
> Is there a better way to write IDs on
Just write them in plain text, nroff or not, using a decent mode-aware
text editor like Alpha (http://alpha.olm.net). It's also a pretty good
raw HTML editor.
On 21 Feb 2001 at 22:50 -0800, Bora Akyol apparently wrote:
> I am trying (trying is the key word) to write Internet drafts on a
> power
> > Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet Drafts, pretty
> > much everyone on the planet should be able to read an HTML file (even
> > using Lynx on a terminal)?
>
> and that goes for pdf too, given that the irs uses it too :)
It isn't accepted because flat, plain ASCII text is
Hi,
On Wed 2001.02.21, Bora Akyol wrote:
> I am trying (trying is the key word) to write Internet drafts on a
> powerbook using MS Word with the template from the IETF web-site,
> then using a PC to convert Word to text per the instructions.
>
> Is there a better way to write IDs on a Mac?
I
I am trying (trying is the key word) to write Internet drafts on a
powerbook using MS Word with the template from the IETF web-site,
then using a PC to convert Word to text per the instructions.
Is there a better way to write IDs on a Mac?
Also, why isn't HTML an accepted format for Internet D
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