Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-17 Thread Templin, Fred L
t over that and move on... Thanks - Fred > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:52 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > &g

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-17 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Fred (et al.), On 3/29/2017 3:06 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > One other comment. I agree with figures 12 and 13 but (and I think this is > a crucial point) I think they need a supporting sentence or two explaining > why the procedure is "fragment then encapsulate" and not "encapsulate > then fragme

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-17 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Fred, Circling back to this item: On 3/29/2017 2:18 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > One other comment. I agree with figures 12 and 13 but (and I think this is > a crucial point) I think they need a supporting sentence or two explaining > why the procedure is "fragment then encapsulate" and not

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Joe Touch
f.org >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt >> >> HI Fred, >> >> I'm in the process of the next update, and wanted to clarify the following: >> >> >> On 3/28/2017 9:36 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote: >>> 18) Secti

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Joe Touch
, Fred L >> Cc: int-area@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt >> >> Fred, >> >> Regarding the following point: >> >> >> On 3/28/2017 9:36 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote: >>> 19) Section 4.3.3, th

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Templin, Fred L
Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:17 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Fred, > > Regarding the fo

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Templin, Fred L
Interesting timing on this message, but see below: > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:13 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-0

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Joe Touch
Fred, Regarding the following point: On 3/28/2017 9:36 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > 19) Section 4.3.3, third paragraph, I thought it was said earlier > that all ingress/egress pairs must support the same MTU. I > thought we agreed earlier on that that multi-MTU subnets > don't work.

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-16 Thread Joe Touch
HI Fred, I'm in the process of the next update, and wanted to clarify the following: On 3/28/2017 9:36 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > 18) Section 4.3.3, For Multipoint Tunnels, please cite AERO, as > well as ISATAP [RFC5214] and 6over4 [RFC2529]. They define > an NBMA multipoint tunnel fra

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-04 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:04 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Winding down to the last

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Joe Touch
Winding down to the last part: (I agree that encryption or mimicry is useful only when it works, but not much more can be said than that) On 5/3/2017 2:59 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > The problem is that if there are N paths in the multipath the ingress has > no way of knowing that it has probed

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:38 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Winnowing down... I think we&#x

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Joe Touch
Winnowing down... I think we're converging. Let me know if not... Joe On 5/3/2017 2:24 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > ... > I thought for multipoint tunnels all egress' had to have the same reassembly > MTU? Or, if taking the minimum, that minimum value could be conveyed in > the MTU option in a R

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > HI, Fred, > > On 5/3

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Joe Touch
HI, Fred, On 5/3/2017 1:07 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > Hi Joe, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:47 AM >> To: Templin, Fred L >> Cc: int-area@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Int-area]

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:47 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Hi, Fred, > > Your r

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Joe Touch
, Fred L wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Sorry for the extended delay - see below for responses: > > Thanks - Fred > >> -Original Message- >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:06 PM >> To: Templin, Fred L >> Cc:

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-05-03 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, Sorry for the extended delay - see below for responses: Thanks - Fred > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:06 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action:

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-29 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Fred, I think we're agreed except for PMTUD and PLMTUD. See below about the latter (AFAICT, if it black holes, then the PLMTUD would detect a failure to make forward progress). Black-holing in PMTUD is known and not something this (or any other doc) is fixing, but also a known standard. Joe

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-29 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Joe, See below: > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:38 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Hi, Fred, >

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-28 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Fred, Thanks for the feedback. Let's assume I incorporate the nits/bugs and I address any clarifications when I get to them in detail, so I'll jump only to the deeper issues below... Joe On 3/28/2017 9:36 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > Here are my comments for this draft. Mostly editorial, bu

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-28 Thread Templin, Fred L
like this includes multiple packets that, if transmitted individually, would take different paths within the tunnel. Also, in the figure the insertion of the block labeled "iHa | iDa" should show up as "iHa | iDa" within the packed packet (it currently shows up

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-27 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, all, This update catches some typos that are important for understanding the terminology changes. Joe On 3/27/2017 8:34 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Internet Area W

[Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

2017-03-27 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Tunnels in the Internet Architecture Authors : Joe Touch Mark Townsley