implemenation req. vs operational advice [Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-02.txt]

2004-02-05 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Bob Hinden wrote: > > > I agree this could be stated better. I think it would be good to > > > change it to "Any router that is used between sites", as it is > > > not the routing protocols doing the filtering, but the router based > > > on it's configuration. > > > >But th

RE: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-02.txt

2004-02-05 Thread Christian Huitema
> Is it only I that find it odd that talking about Multicast DNS > is viewed to be in-scope for this document, while talking about the > applicability issues for the addresses *defined by this document* > is stated to be out of scope?? I agree with Erik on this point. > > >For future study na

RE: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-02.txt

2004-02-05 Thread Christian Huitema
>From what I have read so far, the monetary payment appears to be one of the weakest point of the proposal. I suggest that the monetary consideration in the draft be removed, and that the precise method used to implement the registration be left to the registry. Specifically, I suggest in section "

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 274] conflict between MLD and NS delay

2004-02-05 Thread Greg Daley
Hi Jinmei, JINMEI Tatuya / wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:08 +0200, Markku Savela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: It should be noted that the Neighbor Solicitation is usually not the first message. As stated above, the sending node must join the solicited-node multicast address prior to sending

[rfc2462bis issue 276] possible DoS due to the two-hour rule (Re: [2462bis] preferred lifetime and the 'two-hour' rule)

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
I changed the subject because I believe this is a separate issue. > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:44 -0800 (PST), > Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> This issue was originally posted by Ken Powell in February 2000: >> I was able to force the preferred lifetime to zero by reconfiguri

Re: [2462bis] preferred lifetime and the 'two-hour' rule

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:44 -0800 (PST), > Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> My suggestion to the second point is that we should also ignore the >> preferred lifetime if the valid lifetime is ignored due to the >> two-hour rule. > In my example of the incorrectly advertised pr

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 278] 2462bis for "routers"

2004-02-05 Thread Erik Nordmark
> +router - a node that forwards IPv6 packets not explicitly > + addressed to itself. [See Note below]. > +... > +Note: it is possible, though unusual, for a device with multiple > +interfaces to be configured to forward non-self-destined packets > +arrivi

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 278] 2462bis for "routers"

2004-02-05 Thread Fred Templin
Erik Nordmark wrote: So do we or do we not want to 1. specify the per-interface router definition 2. specify how RFC 2461 (and 62) behave on a multihomed node Well, from RFC 2460 we have: +router - a node that forwards IPv6 packets not explicitly + addressed to itself.

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-02.txt

2004-02-05 Thread Erik Nordmark
Is it only I that find it odd that talking about Multicast DNS is viewed to be in-scope for this document, while talking about the applicability issues for the addresses *defined by this document* is stated to be out of scope?? Erik > >For future study names with Local IPv6 addresses may b

Re: [2462bis] preferred lifetime and the 'two-hour' rule

2004-02-05 Thread Erik Nordmark
> So my first point is that we should clearly specify how the preferred > lifetime is updated in 5.5.3 e) of rfc2462bis, mainly for normal > cases. My second point is what we should do about the preferred > lifetime when the valid lifetime is ignored due to the two-hour rule. > > My suggestion to

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 278] 2462bis for "routers"

2004-02-05 Thread Erik Nordmark
> Additionally, adopting this definition also opens up the possibility > of a "half-host, half-router" node, like: > > --(I1)Node(I2)--- >(I3) > | > | > > where I1 and I2 are "normal" interfaces for which the node is ac

Re: [2462bis] preferred lifetime and the 'two-hour' rule

2004-02-05 Thread Erik Nordmark
> 1) update the preferred lifetime regardless of whether the valid >lifetime is accepted or not wrt the "two-hour" rule > 2) update the preferred lifetime only when the valid lifetime is >accepted > 3) leave this as implementation dependent > The KAME/BSD implementation behaves as option 1

RE: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-rfc2011-update-06.txt

2004-02-05 Thread shawn . routhier
The list of changes to the previous drafts can be found in the document itself. The biggest recent change was the modification of objects in the ipAddressTable to allow for the creation or modification of rows in the table. There is one outstanding change that has been agreed to but not incorpor

[rfc2462bis] still open issues

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
Sorry for bothering you all by the bunch of messages. This is the last one for now. (I'm afraid I'll be the "winner" of this week:-) The followings are the issues for rfc2462bis that are still open. I don't have particular proposals for them right now (particularly for the last two), and I'm afra

[rfc2462bis issue 276] possible DoS due to the two-hour rule

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
This issue was originally posted by Ken Powell in February 2000: == begin citing I recently ran some experiments in our lab to see how our IPv6 implementation responds to sudden network topology changes. In the course of these experiments, I caused

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 274] conflict between MLD and NS delay

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:08 +0200, > Markku Savela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> It should be noted that the Neighbor Solicitation is usually not the >> first message. As stated above, the sending node must join the >> solicited-node multicast address prior to sending the Neighbor >> Sol

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 274] conflict between MLD and NS delay

2004-02-05 Thread Markku Savela
> To address the following issue for rfc2462bis: > > There is conflict with the Multicast Listener Discovery > specification about random delay for the first packet. The address > autoconfiguration requires a random delay for a DAD packet if it > is the first packet from th

[rfc2462bis issue 280] interface failure upon DAD failure

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
To address the issue "the requirement that the interface SHOULD be disabled upon DAD failure is too strong", I simply added the following line to Section 5.4.5: An implementation MAY try an automatic recovery technique from this failure and re-enable the interface. in the proposed resolutio

RE: [rfc2462bis issue 278] 2462bis for "routers"

2004-02-05 Thread Russell Brian
RFC 2460 provides this note in the terminology section: Note: it is possible, though unusual, for a device with multiple interfaces to be configured to forward non-self-destined packets arriving from some set (fewer than all) of its interfaces, and to discard non-self-destined packets arr

[rfc2462bis issue 278] 2462bis for "routers"

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
There was an issue about how much we should allow a router (not a host) to use the RFC2462 spec to configure itself. Specifically, a) if a router can configure a global address by stateless autoconf b) if a router can configure a link-local address in a way described in RFC 2462

[rfc2462bis issue 274] conflict between MLD and NS delay

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
To address the following issue for rfc2462bis: There is conflict with the Multicast Listener Discovery specification about random delay for the first packet. The address autoconfiguration requires a random delay for a DAD packet if it is the first packet from the node, but

FWD: [Internet-Draft Submission Cutoff Dates for the 59th IETF Meeting in Seoul..]

2004-02-05 Thread Bob Hinden
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:48:25 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: Internet-Draft Submission Cutoff Dates for the 59th IETF Meeting in Seoul, Korea There are two (2) Internet-Draft cutoff dates for the 59th IETF Meeting in

[rfc2462bis issue 271] retaining addresses in stable storage

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
To address rfc2462bis issue 271, "An implementation may want to use stable storage for autoconfigured addresses", I've added the following new (sub)section: 5.7 Retaining Configured Addresses for Stability It is reasoanble that i

Re: SIOCGIFaaa ioctls and IPv6 interfaces

2004-02-05 Thread Kristine Adamson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/04/2004 11:04:33 PM: > > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:33:38 +1100, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >> Thanks for the feedback.  Was there ever any discussion in the IPv6 > >> working group in regards to creating a standard set of ioctl() function > >> calls, simila

a summary of proposals for rfc2462bis

2004-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
Hello, I'm now working on the rfc2462bis document, and I've done the work for most of the issues I raised in the previous draft and presented in Minneapolis with my own proposed resolutions (which should be discussed and agreed by the wg, of course). I've revised the rfc2462bis text with the reso