Re: additional agenda item

2004-03-01 Thread YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / $B5HF#1QL@(B
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (at Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:27:22 +0900 (JST)), YOSHIFUJI (BHideaki / [EMAIL PROTECTED](B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says: (B (B> 2. The description for "ifa_flags" is rather bogus. (B>For L3 addresses, it seems to return IFA_xxx (or IN6_IFA_xxx?) flags, (B>instead

Re: link-scoped multicast [RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status]

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Myung-Ki Shin wrote: > > SSM range is FF3X::/32. This draft invades in that territory. > >No, as mentioned before, >SSM format is FF3X::/96 in section 7 of RFC 3306. >Thus, it is distinguishable. Sorry, SSM WG does not agree with this interpretation. >So, whi

Re: link-scoped multicast [RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status]

2004-03-01 Thread Myung-Ki Shin
Please see comments below : Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Dave Thaler wrote: > > Pekka Savola writes: > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jung-Soo Park wrote: > > > > I revised my draft (-04) according to comments of ML. > > > > My revised draft is available as follows: > > > > http://www.ipv6.

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:34:47 +0200, > Mika Liljeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Okay, I'm happy to reach the consensus, too. > Futile though it may be, I would like to register disagreement. I think it is not necessarily futile, though in my understanding (I must admit it may be bia

link-scoped multicast [RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status]

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Dave Thaler wrote: > Pekka Savola writes: > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jung-Soo Park wrote: > > > I revised my draft (-04) according to comments of ML. > > > My revised draft is available as follows: > > > http://www.ipv6.or.kr/eng/draft-ietf-ipv6-link-scoped-mcast-04.txt > > > > I

Re: Adopt Address Selection API as a WG document?

2004-03-01 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: The address selection draft authors have asked the WG to adopt draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-02.txt as a WG document. Are there any objections to the group adopting it? As with other API documents, this would be Informational in nature.

RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Dave Thaler
Pekka Savola writes: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jung-Soo Park wrote: > > I revised my draft (-04) according to comments of ML. > > My revised draft is available as follows: > > http://www.ipv6.or.kr/eng/draft-ietf-ipv6-link-scoped-mcast-04.txt > > I don't think this addresses my concerns. This does no

Adopt Address Selection API as a WG document?

2004-03-01 Thread Brian Haberman
All, The address selection draft authors have asked the WG to adopt draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-02.txt as a WG document. Are there any objections to the group adopting it? As with other API documents, this would be Informational in nature. Regards, Brian & Bob -

RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jung-Soo Park wrote: > I revised my draft (-04) according to comments of ML. > My revised draft is available as follows: > http://www.ipv6.or.kr/eng/draft-ietf-ipv6-link-scoped-mcast-04.txt I don't think this addresses my concerns. This does not work with source-specific mult

RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Jung-Soo Park
Hi Brian and folks I revised my draft (-04) according to comments of ML. My revised draft is available as follows: http://www.ipv6.or.kr/eng/draft-ietf-ipv6-link-scoped-mcast-04.txt In my previous draft, if scope <=2, my proposal only has to use(MUST). According to Erik's comment, "MUST" is update

RE: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread john . loughney
Hi Brian, For the IPv6 Nodes Requirement, Revised ID Needed draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-08.txt (To be discussed in WG session) The document has been revised, I just want a sanity check on a couple of things, but I think the document should be marked "This version addresses

Re: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:58:42 -0500, > Brian Haberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I was planning on doing a short (1 week) WG Last Call to allow > commenters a chance to review the changes. Fine, thanks. JINMEI, Tatuya

Re: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Brian Haberman
I was planning on doing a short (1 week) WG Last Call to allow commenters a chance to review the changes. Regards, Brian JINMEI wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:20:21 -0500, Brian Haberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: The chairs have decided to handle document status differently at IETF 59. Rath

Re: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka, Pekka Savola wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Brian Haberman wrote: http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/IETF59/IPv6/IPv6DocumentStatus.html What about the other work we should be doing, but isn't done yet (PPP updates, "link-scoped multicast", point-to-point link support, rfc3041bis, etc.)

Re: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:20:21 -0500, > Brian Haberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The chairs have decided to handle document status differently > at IETF 59. Rather than spending valuable meeting time on status, > we have created a webpage with the current status of all documents.

Re: IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Brian Haberman wrote: > http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/IETF59/IPv6/IPv6DocumentStatus.html What about the other work we should be doing, but isn't done yet (PPP updates, "link-scoped multicast", point-to-point link support, rfc3041bis, etc.) ? One comment: RFC Editor's

IETF 59 IPv6 WG Document Status

2004-03-01 Thread Brian Haberman
All, The chairs have decided to handle document status differently at IETF 59. Rather than spending valuable meeting time on status, we have created a webpage with the current status of all documents. It is now available at: http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/IETF59/IPv6/IPv6DocumentStatus.h

Updated IPv6 WG Agenda

2004-03-01 Thread Brian Haberman
Introduction, Agenda Bashing, Document Status 05 Charter Update , Hinden 10 Node Requirements, Loughney 10 2461bis, Soliman15 2462bis, Tatuya15 ICMP Updates, Gupta/Hinden

Re: icmpv6-v3 comment

2004-03-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Jyrki Soini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There is discussion and motivation why ICMPv6 error messages in general > case MUST NOT be send in response to multicast packets. In contrast > ICMP Echo Reply message has the following text: > > "An Echo Reply SHOULD be sent in response to an Echo R

Re: icmpv6-v3 comment

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Jyrki Soini wrote: > "An Echo Reply [SHOULD NOT| MAY] be sent in response to an Echo > Request message > sent to an IPv6 multicast or anycast address. If this potentially > dangerous reply > is sent, the source address of the reply MUST be a unicast address > be

icmpv6-v3 comment

2004-03-01 Thread Jyrki Soini
There is discussion and motivation why ICMPv6 error messages in general case MUST NOT be send in response to multicast packets. In contrast ICMP Echo Reply message has the following text: "An Echo Reply SHOULD be sent in response to an Echo Request message sent to an IPv6 multicast or anycast

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread Mika Liljeberg
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:25, JINMEI Tatuya / çæéå wrote: > Okay, I'm happy to reach the consensus, too. Futile though it may be, I would like to register disagreement. If the intention truly was to simplify the specification, we would be going to pure DIID. As it is, removing mention of DIID seem

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:13:26 +1100, > "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> [...] In this particular case, "A" is a >> CGA identifier, so it cannot equal to a normal EUI-64 identifier. > I had not thought of this! So > it is not a problem at all. > In that case I'm entir

Re: Optimistic DAD _again!_

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:03:15 +0200, > Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Most or maybe even all of these aspects are being worked by different > groups. For instance, (snip) > Does this count as a "comprehensive scenario" you were looking > for? I think so, thanks for the list.

Re: additional agenda item

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:08:54 -0800 (PST), > Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Fair enough, but let me make a quick check: is this a direct response >> to my request for a slot (positive or negative), or just a general >> input on this issue itself? > Latter. > On the former; G

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread Nick 'Sharkey' Moore
On 2004-03-01, JINMEI Tatuya / [EMAIL PROTECTED]@C#:H wrote: > I don't see the need for any change on this in rfc2462bis. Okay, no worries, I'm happy too: I had assumed the DIID behaviour was widespread. >[...] In this particular case, "A" is a > CGA identifier, so it cannot equal to a normal E

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread James Kempf
I agree. jak - Original Message - From: )> To: "James Kempf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Pekka Nikander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: Re: SEND/DIID interope

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread Pekka Nikander
To summarize the points, I'd propose to do nothing on this in rfc2462bis because: - the actual odds of the problem in the real world should be very low, even in the current status. - if we take the proposed change in rfc2462bis, the odds will be getting lower and lower. - if we add something fo

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / $B?@L@C#:H(B
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:12:11 -0800, > "James Kempf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Putting that aside, a SEND node could well *defend* the address >> fe80::A for DAD/DIID purposes, but it would never actually use it. > I think that's the issue. Should a SEND or 3041 node be required to de

Re: additional agenda item

2004-03-01 Thread YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / $B5HF#1QL@(B
Hello. (B (BIn article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (at Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:54:25 +0900), JINMEI Tatuya / (B[EMAIL PROTECTED]@C#:H(B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says: (B (B> FYI: currently getifaddrs(3) provides the following information: (B> (B> char *ifa_name; /* Interface n

Re: SEND/DIID interoperabilility (was: Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies)

2004-03-01 Thread James Kempf
> Putting that aside, a SEND node could well *defend* the address > fe80::A for DAD/DIID purposes, but it would never actually use it. > I think that's the issue. Should a SEND or 3041 node be required to defend LL addresses that use suffixes configured for their global unicast addresses even thou

Re: additional agenda item

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Nordmark
> Fair enough, but let me make a quick check: is this a direct response > to my request for a slot (positive or negative), or just a general > input on this issue itself? Latter. On the former; Getting the API for the list of addresses documented seems quite useful so I think it makes sense spen