GEN-ART comments about ICMPv6 spec

2005-02-02 Thread Mukesh Gupta
Hi Elwyn, I am trying to address your comments in the IESG review of the ICMPv6 draft. Please see my comments inline. Please note that I am on vacation in india for a month. So I might not be able to respond to your replies for a while :) Sorry if the message is not very well formatted.

Revised Drafts on Source Address Selection Posted

2005-02-02 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Hi all, [Let me re-send this mail. Yesterday my post was returned because of user-unknown.] We've submitted a set of revised internet drafts about IPv6 source address selection policy distribution. Title : Source Address Selection Policy Distribution for Multihoming Filename: draft-arifumi-

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Tim Hartrick
All, On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 13:32, Tony Hain wrote: > > That separation was a point in time implementation choice that is likely to > change in other versions of the OS. The split stack implementation by itself > does not preclude the right thing from happening through either a shim or > direct

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Tony Hain
Jeroen Massar wrote: > ... > It is indeed in POSIX, but why don't admit that it is a mistake to have > it? I though that it was a great idea too, until the Windows > implementation came out that does not and cannot support it due to it's > separate stacks. That separation was a point in time impl

Re: Request to Advance: [RESEND]

2005-02-02 Thread Erik Nordmark
Christian Huitema wrote: Don't get me wrong, I like SEND. My point was just that if we allow "transparent" bridges at all, then we essentially allow the same man-in-the-middle attacks that are also possible with ND proxy. But doesn't the layering inherent in the SeND vs. IEEE make this rather diff

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 17:48 +0200, Markku Savela wrote: > > From: Colm MacCarthaigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Really the only remaining portability issue is the default behaviour of > > bind(::) (without any specific options set). > > In Symbian OS API, see > > > http://www.symbian.com/develo

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Francis Dupont
I agree with you (Jim): the question is philosophical: "is IPv6 a new version of the IP protocol or is IPv6 a new protocol?". In the first case it is natural to inject the IPv4 space into the IPv6 space and ignore the version when it is irrelevant, i.e., in 99% of real cases. Of course I am for th

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Markku Savela
> From: Colm MacCarthaigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Really the only remaining portability issue is the default behaviour of > bind(::) (without any specific options set). In Symbian OS API, see http://www.symbian.com/developer/techlib/v70docs/SDL_v7.0/doc_source/reference/cpp/Tcpip/ Bind to "any

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 05:39:15PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Bob Hinden wrote: > >My take of this is that they should remain in the IPv6 address > >architecture. There is current usage and removing them would break other > >specifications. > > I would agree with that concl

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (at Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:02:05 +0100), Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says: > * That is under the assumption that Windows + KAME + Linux together are > 'most', which could quite well be true with the number of XP's out there > on the market and the fact that KAME

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 09:24 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > Using AF_INET6 as only socket and handling both v4 and v6 can only be done > well if the implementation supports a hybrid v4-v6 stack. > A pure dual stack (code path for v4 and code path for v6 see URL pdf > below) is not friendly to use v4-map

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Bound, Jim
> > > I emphatically disagree > > with Itojun, cmetz, et al referenced and we had this debate > many years > > ago, then again had the debate, and that view lost and we > should not > > revisit it again. > > You mean some people shoved the arguments away without having any > background in the

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Bound, Jim
Using AF_INET6 as only socket and handling both v4 and v6 can only be done well if the implementation supports a hybrid v4-v6 stack. A pure dual stack (code path for v4 and code path for v6 see URL pdf below) is not friendly to use v4-mapped and I will assume all understand that on this list.

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 08:34 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > I am not speaking to you anymore on the IETF and I do recall you now > from Brussels and your manners were the same there and your innuendos > without facts. Ahem? I *asked* you a simple question then: "What is the actual usage". This is what

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:12 +, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:41:08AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > So in summary, my mind has been changed a little on mapped-addresses > - in that although I wouldn't use them, they have a use in limited > circumstances - but some ki

Re: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:41:08AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > We still have a chance IPv4 mapped to at least _deprecate_, that is what > I mentioned in my other message, the usage of these addresses and to > note that implementors should really be using separate sockets, which is > also what get

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 03:45 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 23:25 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > > > But, besides v4mapped being widely deployed on "vendor" > > "production" > > > shipping code bases, used today by applications, > > > > Please name these 'vendor's and 'applica

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Bound, Jim
> On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 23:25 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > > I am not going to dive in here and increase my responses on this > > thread and eat up my limited messages I will bombard this list with > > ok, supporting the mail model less mail is better and > keeping low on > > Rob's messages lis

RE: IPv6 Address Architecture update question

2005-02-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 23:25 -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: > I am not going to dive in here and increase my responses on this thread > and eat up my limited messages I will bombard this list with ok, > supporting the mail model less mail is better and keeping low on Rob's > messages list each week. Bett