Re: Last Call: 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture' to Draft Standard

2005-04-06 Thread Peder Chr. Norgaard
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, The IESG wrote: > > The IESG has received a request from the IP Version 6 Working Group WG to > consider the following document: > > - 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture' > as a Draft Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > fi

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
proposed text... Replace o An anycast address must not be used as the source address of an IPv6 packet. o An anycast address must not be assigned to an IPv6 host, that is, it may be assigned to an IPv6 router only. with - An anycast address is used for very short exchan

RE: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread john . loughney
Brian, > I am soliciting input on a proposal to modify the rules defined > in the current addressing architecture draft with respect to anycast. > There is a proposal in draft-jabley-v6-anycast-clarify-00.txt to change > the following text in the addressing architecture: > >o An anyc

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Andrews
> OK, so then lets go back to the question posed in the thread. The > current spec says that one should never use an anycast address as a > source address under any circumstances. That clearly flies in the face > of present practice, isn't responsiv to the set of concerns you raised > about an

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
OK, so then lets go back to the question posed in the thread. The current spec says that one should never use an anycast address as a source address under any circumstances. That clearly flies in the face of present practice, isn't responsiv to the set of concerns you raised about anycast in ge

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Andrews
One of my collegues pointed out I wasn't clear enough. The restictions on using a anycast address as a packet source definitely need to be relaxed. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Andrews
> > On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Getting back to unicast initiated sessions I would still > > like to see some mechanism (as low in the stack as possible) > > which would allow long running session to survive routing > > changes. > > You're speaking in t

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: Getting back to unicast initiated sessions I would still like to see some mechanism (as low in the stack as possible) which would allow long running session to survive routing changes. You're speaking in this thread. Di

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Andrews
> To be honest, I can't imagine a routing protocol that does anything > similar to prefix aggregation carrying tags around for individual /32 > or /128 addresses. It wouldn't have to be for a /32. Take the root servers for example. Tagging the /24 they each live in would be su

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
To be honest, I can't imagine a routing protocol that does anything similar to prefix aggregation carrying tags around for individual /32 or /128 addresses. And while it is conceptually possible to do per-packet load balancing, very few routers are actually configured that way, because the end

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Andrews
> > > An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast > > > address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use of an anycast address > > > in any location is unenforceable - I have no way to identify an > > > anycast address to apply the rule. > > > > Correct. However, the v6 add

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread James Kempf
> > An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast > > address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use of an anycast address > > in any location is unenforceable - I have no way to identify an > > anycast address to apply the rule. > > Correct. However, the v6 addressing spec

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6 Apr 2005, at 16:09, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: Any reason why the same rules that apply to multicast addresses wouldn't also work here? Actually, yes. Anycast is being used to deploy services which, to clients, appear identical to normal unicast services. The protocols used are varied, and w

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Brian Haberman
On Apr 6, 2005, at 15:12, Joe Abley wrote: On 6 Apr 2005, at 14:50, Fred Baker wrote: Define "anycast address" in this question? A single unicast address bound to multiple interfaces. An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use o

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Brian Haberman
Fred, On Apr 6, 2005, at 14:50, Fred Baker wrote: Define "anycast address" in this question? An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use of an anycast address in any location is unenforceable - I have no way to identify an a

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
doesn't work. When TCP sends a SYN to the anycast address, it can only identify the SYN-ACK by having the source address of the SYN-ACK be the anycast address. The mobility model that Joe and I discussed requires a security association to be set up with the anycast address (IPSEC management pr

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Rob Austein
At Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:22:58 -0400, Brian Haberman wrote: > > There is a proposal in draft-jabley-v6-anycast-clarify-00.txt to change > the following text in the addressing architecture: > >o An anycast address must not be used as the source address of an > IPv6 packet. > >

RE: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
From: Joe Abley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Correct. However, the v6 addressing spec prohibits the use of an > anycast address from being used as the source address in a > datagram, or > being bound to an interface on a host. These two restrictions > effectively prohibit the use of anycast as

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6 Apr 2005, at 14:50, Fred Baker wrote: Define "anycast address" in this question? A single unicast address bound to multiple interfaces. An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use of an anycast address in any location is un

Re: Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Fred Baker
Define "anycast address" in this question? An IPv6 anycast address is indistinguishable from an IPv6 unicast address. As such, any rule prohibiting the use of an anycast address in any location is unenforceable - I have no way to identify an anycast address to apply the rule. I didn't see th

Anycast support in draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-02.txt

2005-04-06 Thread Brian Haberman
All, I am soliciting input on a proposal to modify the rules defined in the current addressing architecture draft with respect to anycast. There is a proposal in draft-jabley-v6-anycast-clarify-00.txt to change the following text in the addressing architecture: o An anycast address must

Re: Last Call: 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture' to Draft Standard

2005-04-06 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, I would like to propose that the restriction on the use of anycast for host-based services be lifted in conjunction with the revision to the v6 addressing specification. Specifically, that the following text in section 2.6 be removed: There is little experience with widespread, arbitrary

Last Call: 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture' to Draft Standard

2005-04-06 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP Version 6 Working Group WG to consider the following document: - 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture' as a Draft Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any commen

Ordering of % and / in RFC 4007

2005-04-06 Thread Steve Cipolli
Can someone explain the rational for why RFC 4007 mandates the scope zone index before the prefix in the textual representation? It appears to be the reverse of what I would expect. A prefix is assocaited with the IP address itself (in6_addr), while the scope zone index is associated with the