RE: About CPS message of SEND in IPv6

2005-09-21 Thread Hongyan Ma
Title: Message hi, jak I appreciate your answer very much.   My understanding is :     1.For the default router is the necessary condition of connecting to external networks, so if the host has not selected a router as its default router, and an RA is received, in order to accelerate the ra

Taking RFC2460 (base IPv6) spec to full standard - issues outstanding

2005-09-21 Thread Elwyn Davies
Dear IPv6 WG Chairs, I previously sent this mail to the list at the time of the wg meeting in Paris but there was no response. Has any decision been taken on how to move forward with the IPv6 suite going towards full standard? I believe these items should be looked at before RFC2460 goes forward

RE: IPv6 WG Last Call:

2005-09-21 Thread Durand, Alain
I will disagree restricting the usage of this protocol to Link Local only. This is an helpful tool when managing networks. Adding a warning statement in the security section to recommend filtering out this particular ICMP message at site boundary should be enough. - Alain. _

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Erik Nordmark
Pekka Savola wrote: I'm not sure if I understand your comment. Are you saying the ND proxy spec is too complicated? Well, I myself suggested removing the spanning tree loop prevention from the draft completely (now it has a bit in the RAs) because it wasn't needed in the applicability we ha

Re: About CPS message of SEND in IPv6

2005-09-21 Thread James Kempf
Title: About CPS message of SEND in IPv6 I'm not sure I follow your questions, but here is what I think the intent is.   If the host has received an RA (solicited or beaconed) from a router and has decided to select that router as its default, it can unicast the CPS directly to the router.  

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Joe Touch
Roger Jorgensen wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Joe Touch wrote: > >>Danny Mayer wrote: >> >>>Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Jari Arkko wrote: ... >o Whether we actually want to define a secure approach to >proxies. Here I'd personally be OK even with no security >for proxyi

RE: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-network-discovery-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35
The problem is that there is no mandatory mechinism to obtain IPv6 addresses from nodes. This severly limits the ability to manage IPv6 networks. -Original Message- From: Jari Arkko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 12:30 To: Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35 Cc:

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Roger Jorgensen
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Joe Touch wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Jari Arkko wrote: > >> ... > >>> o Whether we actually want to define a secure approach to > >>> proxies. Here I'd personally be OK even with no security > >>> for proxying, as long as the above issues were

RE: IPv6 WG Last Call:

2005-09-21 Thread Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35
I would be happy with configuration feature that would allow: 1) Use old (depricated) multicast address 2) Use Solicited Node range multicast address 3) Disable name hashed multicast addresses completly The RFC would depricate the old multicast address. Given these changes then I could recommend u

Re: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-detecting-spoofing-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Jari Arkko
Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35 wrote: The problem with promiscuous monitoring in a switched network is that, if is more than one switch you would need monitors on each switch, because traffic that is between two ports on the same switch does not get forwarded to the other switch. Another prob

RE: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-detecting-spoofing-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35
The problem with promiscuous monitoring in a switched network is that, if is more than one switch you would need monitors on each switch, because traffic that is between two ports on the same switch does not get forwarded to the other switch. Another problem with promiscuous monitoring is the am

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:

2005-09-21 Thread Elwyn Davies
In the light of the previous discussion I had with Ron on this subject, it occurs to me that it would address Ron's issue if responders joined both the old 32 bit and the Solicited Node related multicast addresses. Queriers that are worried about real time issues can use the new Solicited Node

Re: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-detecting-spoofing-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Jari Arkko
Another set of quick comments: There are two well documented vulnerabilities in the basic IPv6 architecture: Neighbor Discover spoofing and Host Redirection. There is the SeND RFC [send] that addresses authenticating these interactions. Certain networks may choose not to uses (or cannot use) S

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:

2005-09-21 Thread Elwyn Davies
Elwyn Davies wrote: Some comments: <> s6.4.1: [wish list] It occurs to me with the mention of tunnels that a Qtype to find out about the addresses associated with (e.g.) configured tunnels would be useful (v6 in v4 for example). Brian asked me to propose some text for this. Here is my su

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:

2005-09-21 Thread Elwyn Davies
Brian Haberman wrote: On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:08, Pekka Savola wrote: <> Specifically, I'm very concerned about its use with global addresses, over the Internet. This has a potential to turn into a kitchen sink protocol, which can be used to do query anything at all from a random node. Thi

Re: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-network-discovery-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Jari Arkko
Hi, Some quick comments: I think its valuable to work on limits to ensure that existing mechanisms don't cause denial-of-service or flooding. Good network security mandates good network management for detecting unauthorized devices on the network. It would seem that the recommended mechanis

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Joe Touch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danny Mayer wrote: > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Jari Arkko wrote: >> ... >> >>> o Whether we actually want to define a secure approach to >>> proxies. Here I'd personally be OK even with no security >>> for proxying, as long as the above issues w

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Danny Mayer
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Jari Arkko wrote: ... o Whether we actually want to define a secure approach to proxies. Here I'd personally be OK even with no security for proxying, as long as the above issues were corrected. But you could also argue the other way; the IETF usually does require manda

Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-detecting-spoofing-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35
Title: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-detecting-spoofing-00.txt This draft was presented in Paris, but did not have time for discussion. We would appreciate any comments. IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@i

Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-network-discovery-00.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Pashby, Ronald W CTR NSWCDD-B35
Title: Solicit comments on draft-pashby-ipv6-network-discovery-00.txt This draft was presented in Paris, however there was not enough time to disscuss it there. There was some discussion on the list regarding using an all hosts multicast for network discovery. This draft does not "add" tha

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Thomas Narten
> I am fine with that it is the sense that this new group can over-rule > the IETF process that is all. I don't believe anyone ever suggested this would be the case. > A PS has to have continued technical > review and Thomas could have expressed his concerns in the IPv6 WG. Note: this document i

RE: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Bound, Jim
I am fine with that it is the sense that this new group can over-rule the IETF process that is all. A PS has to have continued technical review and Thomas could have expressed his concerns in the IPv6 WG. /jim > -Original Message- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: [Int-area] concerns about draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt

2005-09-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Actually Jim, it is an open mailing list and they hold open Area meetings, so I don't see your concern. The point isn't overruling. It's that when an IPv6 document covers IPv4 topics, then the wider perspective is relevant. But more to the point - a number of specific technical issues have been r

About CPS message of SEND in IPv6

2005-09-21 Thread Hongyan Ma
Title: About CPS message of SEND in IPv6 Hi, all experts I have one question about    "When soliciting certificates for a router, a host MUST send    Certification Path Solicitations either to the All-Routers multicast    address, if it has not selected a default router yet, or to the    d