Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread bmanning
> > why, under $DIETIES green earth would you want to push a dead > > technology? The IESG is dead-set against this. > > because the IESG has turned over N times during those 8 years, and the idea > is still solid and useful and interesting, and the current proposed RFC is > experimental,

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread bmanning
> > > L2 broadcast will have to work in order to support ARP. if your L2 does > > > not support broadcast at all then i don't know what to suggest beyond some > > > kind of distinguished destination address that operates a location > > > brokerage for other services. if your L2 supports broadcast

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread James Carlson
Pars Mutaf writes: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 09:40 -0500, Thomas Narten wrote: > > Pars Mutaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I believe that dot-local DNS (also called multicast DNS) will be > > > even more useful in the future. However, I suspect that there is > > > a problem. For example, in

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Pars Mutaf
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:55 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 03:30:26PM +0100, > Pars Mutaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > a message of 81 lines which said: > > > I used the term .local with no particular reason. If recent advances > > showed that it is unnecessary. > >

Re: point-to-point links and ND (was: Review of draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt)

2007-01-11 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
JAmes, yes, it's a solution in search of a problem. There are problems in search of solutions too although not so apparent now. For example ND over tunnel interfaces, etc. For below items: (1) yes, IID as ll addresses may break legacy systems but then one could define new option Target 'Virtual

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Pars Mutaf
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 09:40 -0500, Thomas Narten wrote: > Pars Mutaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I believe that dot-local DNS (also called multicast DNS) will be > > even more useful in the future. However, I suspect that there is > > a problem. For example, in WiMax, a cellular standard, no

Re: point-to-point links and ND (was: Review of draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt)

2007-01-11 Thread James Carlson
Alexandru Petrescu writes: > If a ppp peer negotiates an Interface ID and puts it in the Neighbour > Cache attached to the ppp0 entry, won't break anything. When displaying > the NC the entry simply won't show up empty. Yes, it will break something. - Such a system will send Neighbor Advertise

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Thomas Narten
Pars Mutaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I believe that dot-local DNS (also called multicast DNS) will be > even more useful in the future. However, I suspect that there is > a problem. For example, in WiMax, a cellular standard, nodes cannot > L2 multicast. Who cares what happens at L2? That is

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Pars Mutaf
Hi all, Thank you all for your comments! Alex and Julien: thanks for clarifications on 16ng. Stephane and Brian Carpenter: I used the term .local with no particular reason. If recent advances showed that it is unnecessary. That's OK for me. I'm not even sure if my proposal needs to be "local".

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Masataka Ohta
Pars Mutaf wrote: > This threat is probably another good reason for not allowing > multicast. Wrong. As I already stated reasons, there is no point not allowing broadcast. Masataka Ohta --

Re: point-to-point links and ND (was: Review of draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt)

2007-01-11 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
James Carlson wrote: Alexandru Petrescu writes: Finally, link-layer addresses have a tight relationship with what goes in the last 64bits of an address. On ppp (and maybe others?) links there's no link-layer address but there's means to have something go into the last 64bits. So could we c

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Multicast DNS does not imply the Bad (tm) ".local"! Read draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-47.txt (approved by the IESG on 31 Oct 2006 and stucked in RFC editor queue since, for unknown reasons). It isn't stuck as far as I can see, it's just a member of the queue. And indeed, as far as I know, there is no

Re: multicast DNS without multicast (in IPv6 only)

2007-01-11 Thread Julien Laganier
Hi Pars, On Wednesday 10 January 2007 11:06, Pars Mutaf wrote: > (IPv6 WG CCed sorry all for cross-posting) > > Dear namedroppers, > > I believe that dot-local DNS (also called multicast > DNS) will be even more useful in the future. > However, I suspect that there is a problem. For > example, in