Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread Paul Vixie
> > Make travel plans to attend the next IANA meeting, and in the meantime, > > join the IANA mailing lists. Voice your concern over PI space issues, and > > the making available of small PI blocks to all comers. aside from the fact that iana doesn't have meetings or mailing lists, i note that ica

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread Paul Vixie
> > where in my diffs do i restrict RIRs to the current set of RIRs? it's > > expected that there may be more RIRs in the future. > > Is this a backdoor attempt to make it possible for sovereign nations to > acquire their own IP allocations as proposed by Houlin Zhao of the ITU? no. ---

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread Paul Vixie
> > > >>> | 7 bits |1| 8 bits | 16 bits | 16 bits | 80 bits | > > > >>> ++-+--+-+-+--+ > > > >>> | Prefix |L| Reserved | RIR Num | LIR Num | User Num | > > > >>> ++-+--+-+-+--+ > > Something

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-07-01 Thread Joe Abley
Very late to this party, but: On 27-Jun-2007, at 09:11, Brian E Carpenter wrote: We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what I mean is that they are /48s and I don't expect to see /48s routed globally. Architecturally, they are certainly routeable (and so are /128s). B

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> Oddly enough, what I recommend for now is - put ULA-C on the > back burner. I generally agree with what Brian has said here and I especially support his recommendation to push this to the backburner and let it stew for a while. We really need more clarity on use-cases for this before going furt

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> where in my diffs do i restrict RIRs to the current set of > RIRs? it's expected that there may be more RIRs in the > future. Is this a backdoor attempt to make it possible for sovereign nations to acquire their own IP allocations as proposed by Houlin Zhao of the ITU? --Michael Dillon ---

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> > > I would support Paul proposal, but with one small change. Paul > > > proposes a delegation hierarchy in the ULA-C space: > > > > > >>> should be replaced with this one: > > >>> > > >>> | 7 bits |1| 8 bits | 16 bits | 16 bits | 80 bits | > > >>> ++-+--+-

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> 4) can the ULA-C's be kept out of the DFZ? Since the IETF has no control whatsoever over the DFZ, then the answer has to be, no. The DFZ is the core of the public Internet, one of many internetworks which use IETF protocols. If the operators of the private networks who have formed the DFZ, de

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> First, s/laptop/platform - where, a "platform" could be > something relatively small (like my laptop) or something > quite a bit larger (like a cruise ship). Any points > in-between (planes, trains, automobiles, etc.) also meet the > description. But, all of them are platforms and all of them

RE: AfriNIC, ULA-C, & "why not just get PI space"

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> those in the AfriNIC region who want globally unique, > registered space but do not plan to "announce the IPv6 PI > address space" have no method of getting any such space. if > anyone reads this differently than i do, please educate me. Do the RIRs actually refuse to allocate addresses to o

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> A site is a network of computers with a single > administration, this can mean indeed a major corporation (who > maybe even require multiple /48's which is why rfc4193 is a > bit off to cover those cases) Where has the IETF redefined the meaning of the word "site"? In plain English, this word

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread michael.dillon
> My main question about ULA-C still stands: how is it > different from PI? To understand the difference between PI and ULA-C you need to understand the difference between the public Internet and an IP internetwork. Any set of networks that use the Internet Protocols are an IP internetwork. Howev

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-02.txt

2007-07-01 Thread TJ
"Clearly ULA-C is just "cheap address space", nothing more nothing less." Well, yes and no. Mostly yes. It is also a readily identifiable block of said (cheap) addresses, with some operational differences from normal (globally routable) addresses. I, for one, have no problem at all with ULA and