Re: Minimum IPv6 MTU

2008-07-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
Fernando Gont wrote: Folks, RFC 2460 states that every link in an internet have an MTU of 1280 octets or greater, and that any link that cannot convey a 1280-octet packet in one piece must provide fragmentation and reassembly at a layer bellow IPv6. However, while talking about the specs wi

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Thomas, 2nd ping. If you could please reply, that'd be great. I don't think the ship will return back to port to discuss anything related to on-link definition bullets three and four in our draft - that ship has sailed. So now that we have agreed to removing the line mentioned in the email chain b

Minimum IPv6 MTU

2008-07-10 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, RFC 2460 states that every link in an internet have an MTU of 1280 octets or greater, and that any link that cannot convey a 1280-octet packet in one piece must provide fragmentation and reassembly at a layer bellow IPv6. However, while talking about the specs with a few folks (who p

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
The problem is that one problem is FAR more likely to happen than the other. I shutdown my machine every night and power it on again in the morning when I come to work. Therefore, every night of every workday I experience the type of outage described in our draft. Furthermore, I occasionally go

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Jinmei, Thanks for the comment. For this comment from you: "Aside from this essential point, the new bullet does also not make sense in the context of 'A correctly implemented IPv6 host MUST adhere to the following rules'. If we find any valid 'justification' like this, it should be described

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:09:01 -0400, "Hemant Singh (shemant)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since you don't want any new rules added by our draft, we changed bullet > 3 related to caching on-link determination. The new bullet text does not > add any normative requirements but clearly says why it is

I-D Action:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-01.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Subnet Model: the Relationship between Links and Subnet Prefixes Author(s) : H. Singh, et al.

New version of subnet draft is available

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-01 .txt Hemant, Wes, and Erik. IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Thomas, Are you ok with the new paragraph if we removed this sentence from it: "As of the writing of this document, bullets three and four of the on-link definition are being debated and may need further clarification." Further, since Tatuya will not let us add any text that suggests new rules

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
We're against blind caching and re-use of unverified (and possibly bogus) information. If that information is deprecated and later verified (as it is in DNA) - then the information can be re-used without a problem. Tatuya - In the new text, we have eliminated any normative language. Therefore,

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Tatuya, Since you don't want any new rules added by our draft, we changed bullet 3 related to caching on-link determination. The new bullet text does not add any normative requirements but clearly says why it is a bad idea to cache on-link determination. Also, our draft is about on-link determina

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Thomas, Thomas Narten wrote: Note also, that DNA approaches essentially "cache" information about the configuration of an interface across interfaces going up and down -- which is very similar to the type of caching you are proposing to disallow. Ack. This is exactly what simple dna does.

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Tatuya, JINMEI Tatuya / wrote: At Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:54:04 -0400, "Hemant Singh (shemant)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the reply. Let's see if we can meet common ground with you. Our justification for prohibiting on-link caching is only in emails to 6man as follows: "What

RE: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Thomas, You say: " bullets 3 & 4 MUST NOT be taken to indicate an address is on-link." But the Terminology section and the on-link definition clearly say either of bullets 3 and 4 signify that the address is on-link. I have snipped the text of the definition below. on-link - an address that

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-subnet-model-00.txt

2008-07-10 Thread Thomas Narten
"Hemant Singh (shemant)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tatuya, > Erik suggested some new text to us related to bullets 3 and 4 of on-link > definition in the Terminology section of RFC4861. He is busy this week - > we are sending this on his behalf. As you know bullet 4 is being debated > in 6man