RE: speaking of ND Proxy and NBMA etc.

2009-11-18 Thread teemu.savolainen
Hi, Exactly. In IPv4 the "tethering" can be done with NAT & DHCPv4 server in UE, but in IPv6 ND Proxy is needed until UEs can get more prefixes from 3GPP network with prefix delegation techniques (such as DHCPv6 PD). Best regards, Teemu --- original message --- From: "ext Laganier, Julien" S

RE: speaking of ND Proxy and NBMA etc.

2009-11-18 Thread Laganier, Julien
Hello Teemu, A question for clarification about the 3GPP use-case you have in mind. Are you thinking about a 3GPP User Equipment being allocated a /64 prefix on the 3GPP link and acting as an ND proxy between the 3GPP link and downstream links to which other nodes could attach (e.g. a laptop) ?

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Stig Venaas
Fred Baker wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: I guess that is because if you force to try all the pairs, it perfectly ignores the address selection manner defined in RFC 3484, and thus, it gives us not little impact. If they space them closely and run them in parall

RE: speaking of ND Proxy and NBMA etc.

2009-11-18 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Ah, OK. If I get time, I will review the document in next week or two. Thanks, Hemant -Original Message- From: Laganier, Julien [mailto:juli...@qualcomm.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:56 PM To: Hemant Singh (shemant); Pekka Savola Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; draft-ietf-csi-proxy-s...

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Scott Brim
Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote on 11/10/2009 9:54 AM: > Fred, > > Another approach to problem 3 is to extract REAP from SHIM6 and > figure out how to use it to enhance address selection in practice. ... or any mechanism which tests src/dst address pairs. Note that data packets and control pac

RE: speaking of ND Proxy and NBMA etc.

2009-11-18 Thread Laganier, Julien
Hemant, Right - I understand that some deployments do not require SEND security. As a side note, draft-ietf-csi-proxy-send-01 has just entered WGLC in the CSI WG, reviews by interested parties would be appreciated! Thank you. --julien > -Original Message- > From: Hemant Singh (shem

RE: speaking of ND Proxy and NBMA etc.

2009-11-18 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Julien, Thanks - we will update our draft to change the info that now the CSI group is working on SEND extensions for ND Proxy and it's Work in Progress. However, one original intent of our draft is still valid that some deployments want to use ND Proxy but will not use SEND. Hemant -Origin

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: As I wrote in another e-mail, rather than giving over everything to hosts, I think, giving hints for selecting addresses should be reasonable, at least in some environments. I would very much favor having an icmp message that the networ

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: Regarding this way of try-and-error approach, I think It should be implemented the following way: for each source address in some order { create socket bind (current source address) for each destination address in some

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Fred, On 2009/11/18, at 18:50, Fred Baker wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: I'm not sure we can create perfect-in-every-environment caching algorithm. but you're convinced you can design an algorithm that consistently out-thinks the network design? IMO, we ca

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
On 2009/11/18, at 18:46, Fred Baker wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: I guess that is because if you force to try all the pairs, it perfectly ignores the address selection manner defined in RFC 3484, and thus, it gives us not little impact. If they space them cl

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Regarding this way of try-and-error approach, I think It should be implemented the following way: for each source address in some order { create socket bind (current source address) for each destination address in some order { connect (current destinatio

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: I'm not sure we can create perfect-in-every-environment caching algorithm. but you're convinced you can design an algorithm that consistently out- thinks the network design? wow. I'm not that optimistic.

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: I guess that is because if you force to try all the pairs, it perfectly ignores the address selection manner defined in RFC 3484, and thus, it gives us not little impact. If they space them closely and run them in parallel, I guess I don

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Mohacsi, I think It should be implemented the following way: for each source address in some order { create socket bind (current source address) for each destination address in some order { connect (current destination address) do {

Re: Thoughts on address selection

2009-11-18 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Fred, On 2009/11/11, at 7:52, Fred Baker wrote: On Nov 11, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Mohacsi Janos wrote: I think this try_and_success_or_failure method can work in most cases, however it has some burden for implementation and operational point of view, It does indeed, at least operationally. T