Re: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Hemant, Sorry if I was not clear earlier. Now that you agree that tunnelling/ transition mechanisms add headers and the MTU problem is solved for them. Think of a similar solution for the RH4 cases too. Thanks, Vishwas On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote: >>-O

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Jonathan, There are two cases, where a node knows about the header but does not support its processing (Security or whatever reason). In that case we can add information like you said. Also in case we assume all RPL nodes have the stack as we define in the spec, we can assume the behavior. So

RE: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
>-Original Message- >From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of culler >Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:06 PM >To: Erik Nordmark >Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; culler Culler >Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt >Since we route WITHIN a RPL netwo

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Jonathan Hui
Hi Vishwas, On May 31, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote: This should be OK for our intended usage of RH4 since it is constrained to a RPL routing domain. The current RPL specification requires all RPL routers to implement the source routing mechanism we are trying to specify. Thi

RE: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
>-Original Message- >From: Vishwas Manral [mailto:vishwas.i...@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:07 PM >To: Hemant Singh (shemant) >Cc: Erik Nordmark; ipv6@ietf.org; culler Culler >Subject: Re: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt >Hi Hemant, >When we do IP in

Re: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Hemant, When we do IP in IP tunneling, in that case too the packet size increases at an intermediate node. It is no different than this case. Thanks, Vishwas On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote: > Vishwas, > > It's not a question of what's optional or not.  Erik ga

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Jonathan, >> RFC2460 said: >> >>  If, while processing a received packet, a node encounters a Routing >>  header with an unrecognized Routing Type value, the required >>  behavior of the node depends on the value of the Segments Left field, >>  as follows: >> >>  -   If Segments Left is non-zer

RE: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Vishwas, It's not a question of what's optional or not. Erik gave a clear example of an operational issue which is if a host sends a packet with size equal to MTU of the link and if such a packet arrives at a router1 in such a network and router1 slaps its RH on the packet, the packet size grows

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Jonathan Hui
Hi Vishwas, On May 31, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Vishwas Manral wrote: RFC2460 said: If, while processing a received packet, a node encounters a Routing header with an unrecognized Routing Type value, the required behavior of the node depends on the value of the Segments Left field, as follows:

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi JP, Besides the issues I have raised. Here is another thing I encountered when I wrote the RH4 draft. RFC2460 said: If, while processing a received packet, a node encounters a Routing header with an unrecognized Routing Type value, the required behavior of the node depends on the value

Re: Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Erik, The first thing is IPv6 MTU discovery is optional and the only requirement is that the Minimum MTU is satisfied. Also in cases like LLN the Routing paths may change so even after discovery the Packet too big may come anyway. Besides PMTU issues you mention are no different than a lot of

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread culler
Since we route WITHIN a RPL network, rather than THROUGH a RPL network, it would seem that the case mentioned does not arise. Right? On May 30, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: The draft says: A RPL Router MAY insert a Type 4 Routing header if one does not already exist. The co

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt (was Re: New Version Notification for draft-hui-6man-rpl-option-00.txt)

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Jonathan, I just re-read the draft I had written about 3 years ago and tried to figure out things we could further add to your draft. Do you have any diameter in the RPL network? If so there are 2 questions: 1. Is 255 a good enough value? With your draft we can allow only a maximum of 255 int

Re: I-D Action:draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Jonathan, Thanks for pointing me to the other drafts. Good to see you are heading the path that I once tried to. I have added similar checks like Multicast and others to the headers. Here are a few comments: 1. There is no check for any address appearing more than once. You can use the algor

RE: New Version Notification for draft-hui-6man-rpl-option-00.txt

2010-05-31 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
>-Original Message- >From: Jonathan Hui [mailto:j...@archrock.com] >Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:38 AM >To: Hemant Singh (shemant) >Cc: Philip Levis; JP Vasseur; ipv6@ietf.org >Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-hui-6man-rpl-option-00.txt >Hemant, >Being able to change the

Re: Request for agenda items

2010-05-31 Thread JP Vasseur
Dear co-chairs, We would like to request two short slots for the next IETG meeting. 1) Topic - Draft name: draft-hui-6man-rpl-routing-header - Presenter: Jonathan Hui/ JP Vasseur - Requested amount of presentation time: 10mn 2) Topic - Draft name: draft-hui-6man-rpl-option