[6man] #1: Proper source for an "Interface Identifier"

2013-04-29 Thread 6man issue tracker
#1: Proper source for an "Interface Identifier" Version -06 of the document includes the "interface index" in the expression "F()" that generate the stable privacy IIDs. It has been noted that interface indexes might not be stable, and that, in any case, mandating a specific source for tan "in

Re: AD Evaluation: draft-ietf-6man-addr-select-opt

2013-04-29 Thread Arifumi Matsumoto
Brian, thank you for your review. I posted a revision to reflect your suggestions. Regarding the section 3, I changed several sentences, to reduce implementors' confusion, and to serve better for uniform implementation behavior. Best regards, A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-6man-addr-sele

I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-addr-select-opt-10.txt

2013-04-29 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distributing Address Selection Policy using DHCPv6 Author(s) : Arifumi Matsumoto

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Chown
On 29 Apr 2013, at 20:39, Ray Hunter wrote: > Christian Huitema wrote: >>> The "problem" here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For >>> example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this >>> purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and woul

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 07:04 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> Let's assume that >>> there are 2 broad categories that cover a statistically significant >>> percentage of the possible use cases, home and business. I don't see any >>> scenario where the home user would be benefited from stable privacy >>> addresses

Re: Last Call: (A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-29 Thread Philipp Kern
Hosnieh, am Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:17:43PM +0200 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > I guess that we are at an impasse again. I just want to make it clear to > everyone that this proposed draft of yours doesn't really do anything > substantial for privacy issues and I find it misleading to mention p

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Brian Haberman
All, I just want everyone to be aware that I have stopped the publication process on this document and sent it back to the WG. There was significant feedback that I felt needed to be dealt with and that the resulting changes may alter the document significantly. The author and the docum

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/29/2013 01:12 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: On 04/29/2013 05:00 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I only peripherally followed the early discussion about this topic (only so many hours in the day). I confess that I never "got" the need for this, but lots of people seemed enthusiastic about it, so I put it

RE: Last Call: (A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-29 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Fernando, I guess that we are at an impasse again. I just want to make it clear to everyone that this proposed draft of yours doesn't really do anything substantial for privacy issues and I find it misleading to mention privacy in the title. I too am extremely busy and cannot afford to devote any

Re: Last Call: (A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
Hosnieh, Quite a few times I have responded to your comments, and have even provided pointers to publicly-available papers that you seem to have ignored. I disagree with your comments below... but cannot really invest more time in writing responses you'll ignore. This I-D improves at least two p

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 05:00 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > I only peripherally followed the early discussion about this topic (only > so many hours in the day). I confess that I never "got" the need for > this, but lots of people seemed enthusiastic about it, so I put it in > the category of things to figure out

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/29/2013 12:39 PM, Ray Hunter wrote: Christian Huitema wrote: The "problem" here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would change upon r

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 12:03 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: >> The "problem" here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. >> For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for >> this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC >> address, and would change upon replacement

Re: RE: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Ray Hunter
Christian Huitema wrote: >> The "problem" here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For >> example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this >> purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would >> change upon replacement of the NIC (which is

RE: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Christian Huitema
> The "problem" here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For > example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this > purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would > change upon replacement of the NIC (which is generally undesirable)... Un

RE: Last Call: (A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-29 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear Mark >So privacy and security are relative, not absolute. I think this provides better privacy compared to the use of MAC addresses for IIDs Unfortunately that answer is not exactly true. As I explained in my last messages, it is really related to the lifetime of the router prefix. In reali

Re: Last Call: (A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 01:47 AM, Mark Smith wrote: >> What I keep saying is this rfc draft does not have any effect on >> privacy and everything related to the router prefix. >> > > So privacy and security are relative, not absolute. I think this > provides better privacy compared to the use of MAC addres

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 01:13 AM, Mark Smith wrote: >>> This gets a bit interesting when thinking about the USB NIC >>> situation. Plugging the USB NIC into different USB slots would >>> change the interface ID if the slot is used to assign it a >>> persistent interface ID. >> >> I'd argue that this would