Re: UDP+Fragmentation

2013-08-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 02/08/2013 18:12, Mark ZZZ Smith wrote: > > - Original Message - >> From: Mark ZZZ Smith >> To: C. M. Heard ; IPv6 >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: UDP+Fragmentation (was: "Deprecate") >> >> Hi, >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: C. M. Heard

Re: Question about ug bits

2013-08-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hosnieh, Please see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-ug-01 whose WG Last Call just ended, with a few comments to be incorporated. IMHO, since we seem to agree that these bits have no defined semantics in an IID, you can specify them as you want in a new IID format. I would only suggest

Question about ug bits

2013-08-02 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hello, have a question. Is it possible to use bits u and g (reserved bits) as part of the IID interface when using any IID generation approach? For instance, using it for SSAS. Thanks, Best, Hosnieh IETF IPv6 working group mail

Re: Question regarding RFC2460, section 4.7 "No Next Header"

2013-08-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 03/08/2013 04:45, Grant Welch wrote: > To whom it concerns, > > I found the latter portion of the section of interest. > >...If the Payload Length field of the IPv6 header indicates the >presence of octets past the end of a header whose Next Header field >contains 59, those octets

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread C. M. Heard
Thanks for adding transport mode ... it's essential for addressing the issues under discussion on this thread. //cmh On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Templin, Fred L wrote: > Hi, > > Up to now, the SEAL spec has focused on "tunnel mode", and had the > singular statement: > > "(A transport-mode of operati

Re: ra-privacy: my responses to comments

2013-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/01/2013 09:01 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: On 8/1/13 2:31 PM, Keith Moore wrote: Hosnieh clarified the slide by explaining that by using "public addresses" she meant addresses resolvable from DNS lookups. But then the idea that a node should not use "public addresses" is problematic for dif

Question regarding RFC2460, section 4.7 "No Next Header"

2013-08-02 Thread Grant Welch
To whom it concerns, I found the latter portion of the section of interest. ...If the Payload Length field of the IPv6 header indicates the presence of octets past the end of a header whose Next Header field contains 59, those octets must be ignored, and passed on unchanged if the pac

Re: New Version Notification for draft-droms-6man-multicast-scopes-02.txt

2013-08-02 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:42:28 +, "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" wrote: > This rev includes the fixes discussed and agreed to in the 6man WG meeting on > 7/29: I'm not sure if this version addresses the second comment of mine on the 00 version, which you seem to have accepted: http://www.ietf.org/mai

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Templin, Fred L
One other thing to add: "SEAL transport mode implementations SHOULD configure reassembly buffers that are large enough to accommodate a maximum-sized SEAL packet, i.e., they SHOULD configure a 64KB reassembly buffer size." Thanks - Fred fred.l.temp...@boeing.com > -Original Messag

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi, Up to now, the SEAL spec has focused on "tunnel mode", and had the singular statement: "(A transport-mode of operation is also possible, but out of scope for this document.)" in the introduction. (Indeed, the first edition of SEAL (RFC5320) did specify a transport mode of operation, but

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Ran, > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > RJ Atkinson > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 5:06 AM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: "Deprecate" > > > On 01 Aug 2013, at 18:40 , Templin, Fred L wrote: > >> If the physical MTU is

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Mark, > -Original Message- > From: Mark Andrews [mailto:ma...@isc.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:36 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: RJ Atkinson; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: "Deprecate" > > > In message <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D983180DCA04@XCH-BLV- > 504.nw.nos.boeing.co >

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 02 Aug 2013, at 03:58 , Ronald Bonica wrote: > Furthermore, we can now make clear that the two following > statements regarding *New* applications offer practical > alternatives. > > These are: > a) PMTUD/PLMTUD > and b) short PDUs Agree. I am reluctant to say that any of those are sufficie

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 01 Aug 2013, at 20:35 , Mark Andrews wrote: > And if we generate appoximately equal sized fragments > rather than 1280 byte fragments + a runt fragment, > tunnels would need to fragment less often. Your 1500 byte > UDP payloads become 2 x 750 byte fragments which can be > encapsulated multipl

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 01 Aug 2013, at 18:40 , Templin, Fred L wrote: >> If the physical MTU is 1280, then the tunnel MTU will be smaller. > > Not allowed; the tunnel MUST be able to do a minimum 1280. A number of nested tunnel deployments that I'm aware of simply do not support that 1280 MTU inside the innermost

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: > And if we generate appoximately equal sized fragments rather than > 1280 byte fragments + a runt fragment tunnels would need to fragment > less often. Your 1500 byte UDP payloads become 2 x 750 byte fragments > which can be encapulated multiple times. => I

RE: ra-privacy: my responses to comments

2013-08-02 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi, Thank you so much. >I recommend removing the text, or replacing it with something like "The choice of whether to list a node's address in DNS properly depends on many factors, including the set of >applications to be run on the host.   Not listing a node's address in the public DNS may increa

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
> There are still many places where I come from where operators do not > support native IPv6 and people need to rely in tunnels to start trying > IPv6. in this case. ipv6 is *inside* the tunnel so, unless you are one of the sickies who think ipv4 inside mpls inside ipv6 inside ipv4 inside gre in

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Arturo Servin
They aren't. There are still many places where I come from where operators do not support native IPv6 and people need to rely in tunnels to start trying IPv6. Regards, as On 7/30/13 11:55 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote: > Fred, > > I was thinking of tunnels as legacy applica

RE: ra-privacy: my responses to comments

2013-08-02 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi, Again Thanks for your comments. > I do think it might be useful to recommend that DNS servers be configured as to > refuse requests to list DNS zones as a means to thwart attackers from looking > for IPv6 addresses. But assuming that such listing is disabled, I don't know why > listing a hos

Re: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Havard Eidnes
>> Title >> = >> The document should be renamed "IPv6 Fragmentation Considered Ineffective" > > That is an improvement because it more accurately describes > the content of the draft. I'm not entirely certain I agree. The suggested title indicates admittance of defeat against mis-configured

RE: ra-privacy: my responses to comments

2013-08-02 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi, Thanks for your comments. > > > "peer" is also a nit - if you > > want an unknown someone to be able to contact you, you need to make > > yourself findable, whether the protocol design is p2p or not. > > Otherwise you don't. > > I also object to the notion that every host or application sho

Re: ra-privacy: my responses to comments

2013-08-02 Thread Erik Nordmark
On 8/1/13 2:31 PM, Keith Moore wrote: Hosnieh clarified the slide by explaining that by using "public addresses" she meant addresses resolvable from DNS lookups. But then the idea that a node should not use "public addresses" is problematic for different reasons. Keith, From a terminology p

RE: "Deprecate"

2013-08-02 Thread Ronald Bonica
Hi Ran, Thanks for the review. Comments inline. > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > RJ Atkinson > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:35 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: "Deprecate" > > On Tuesday 30th July, Ron Bonica w