Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-04-22 Thread Alain Durand
On Apr 22, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: Based on the above, my understanding is that your appeal has now been resolved. Thomas, Thank you for organizing the con-call that enable us to make those progress. The steps you mentioned address fully my concerns and resolve my appeal. I'm parti

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-04-22 Thread Thomas Narten
Alain, This note summarizes the outcome of a conference call regarding your appeal to the INT ADs of the IPv6 WG's decision to advance draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-03.txt. Attendees on the call included the INT ADs (Margaret and myself), the IPv6 chairs (Brian and Bob) as well as yourself. Y

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Alain Durand wrote: > > On Mar 9, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > Yes, I appologise for accidentally resurrecting the fixed charge, > > by typing "is suggested" when my brain was thinking "was suggested." > > > > We did indeed all agree to delegate *that* choice to IANA. > > Thi

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Alain Durand
On Mar 9, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Yes, I appologise for accidentally resurrecting the fixed charge, by typing "is suggested" when my brain was thinking "was suggested." We did indeed all agree to delegate *that* choice to IANA. This is the part that bothers me. If we delegate th

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Yes, I appologise for accidentally resurrecting the fixed charge, by typing "is suggested" when my brain was thinking "was suggested." We did indeed all agree to delegate *that* choice to IANA. Brian Bob Hinden wrote: > > Charlie, > > >I think that the fixed charge is a mistake, and > >shou

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Fred Templin
Has there been any resolution as to a name for the new addresses? As I recall, there was some earlier discussion to this point. Thanks - Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Hinden wrote: Charlie, I think that the fixed charge is a mistake, and should be avoided. I trust that everyone commenting on this

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Bob Hinden
Charlie, I think that the fixed charge is a mistake, and should be avoided. I trust that everyone commenting on this has actually read the current draft. A fixed charge was removed several drafts ago. The current draft does not impose a fixed charge for a prefix, but instead sets a requirement

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Charles E. Perkins
Hello Brian, I think that the fixed charge is a mistake, and should be avoided. To avoid hoarding, of course it would be good to avoid bugs. In case, that is considered impossible (sigh!) we can also demand that each address and/or prefix be accompanied by a certificate generated by IANA with a

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Jarno, this is exactly why the fixed charge is suggested - to make the cost of bulk hoarding significant. And no, I don't want to imagine such a bug - I have more confidence than that in IANA and the organisations IANA delegates to. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thomas Narten wrote: >

RE: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-08 Thread Dan Lanciani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Thomas Narten wrote: |> why we can't make such assignments permanent. (Note: I'd agree with |> you that the assignments shouldn't be permanent if there was a case to |> be made that it may become necessary to reclaim them at some future |> time. Is there?) |> | |What if

RE: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-08 Thread jarno . rajahalme
Thomas Narten wrote: > why we can't make such assignments permanent. (Note: I'd agree with > you that the assignments shouldn't be permanent if there was a case to > be made that it may become necessary to reclaim them at some future > time. Is there?) > What if someone manages to hoard the addre

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
In my opinion, Thomas is correct. This is a technical choice, not a "policy" choice, and well within the IETF's competence. (Speaking as co-drafter and co-signer of RFC 2860, among other things.) Brian Thomas Narten wrote: > > Alain Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Feb 27, 2004,

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-03-05 Thread Thomas Narten
Alain Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: > > > > Let me ask you this then. If the word "permanent" is not appropriate, > > what word is? To me, "not permanent" means that at some future time an > > allocation that has been made to an endsite may

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-28 Thread Dan Lanciani
Alain Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: [...] |> But this |> begs the question of why an end site would ever want to use such |> addresses. I.e, this raises such questions as: |> |> - under what conditions would an address be reclaimed? | |to b

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-27 Thread Alain Durand
On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: Let me ask you this then. If the word "permanent" is not appropriate, what word is? To me, "not permanent" means that at some future time an allocation that has been made to an endsite may be revoked. The point I'm arguing is that it is not the IETF

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-27 Thread Thomas Narten
Alain, > Specifically, the part I object to are: > - under the FD00::/8 prefix (Locally assigned): > using the 'all zero' pattern instead of random bits would have the > exact same effect >as using the 'site local' address: it would create ambiguous > addresses. The ipv6 >wg spend o

Re: Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-27 Thread itojun
>Dear ADs, consider this mail as my second step in the appeal chain. > >Specifically, the part I object to are: > >- under the FD00::/8 prefix (Locally assigned): >using the 'all zero' pattern instead of random bits would have the >exact same effect > as using the 'site local' address: it wo

Appeal on "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-27 Thread Alain Durand
On Feb 24, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: Alain, At 01:22 AM 2/20/2004, Alain Durand wrote: Dears ADs, Since the appeal process starts with the working group chairs, we are responding as such. I found it very unfortunate that the chair decided to request to advance this document witho