Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-09 Thread Alain Durand
On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: But I think Keith's suggestion is correct - add in the text descrription prior to the normative statements. It's the best we can do, let's just do it. I could live with that. - Alain. -

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
The implementer is the only person who can remove it. As I said in Minneapolis, the problem here is that we don't have clear versioning in IETF standards. If we could say "site local was standard in IPv6.1, is deprecated in IPv6.2, and will be removed from IPv6.3" then the conformance issue is im

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-08 Thread Eliot Lear
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Which software release counts as "new" is indeed not a question for the IETF, and each implementer will have to make his/her own judgement about exactly when to remove the feature. But I don't think it's wrong to say that they MUST remove it. Sorry- I'm lost in pronouns

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-08 Thread Eliot Lear
Alain, Your proposal below is fine. Brian, what do you think? Eliot Alain Durand wrote: The whole story about deprecating Site Local has led to very complex discussions that a lot of people had difficulties to follow, partly because the issues are complex and partly because of the heat of

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-06 Thread Keith Moore
Keith Moore wrote: To the implementors: a) don't implement SL if you are designing a new product b) don't rush removing SL support from your current products, this can be done in future releases. to application implementors: a) avoid using SL addresses in applications that exchange address

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Keith Moore wrote: > > > To the implementors: > > a) don't implement SL if you are designing a new product > > b) don't rush removing SL support from your current products, this can > > be done in future releases. > > to application implementors: > > a) avoid using SL addresses in applicat

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-05 Thread Alain Durand
Those are very good to mention as well. - Alain. Keith Moore wrote: To the implementors: a) don't implement SL if you are designing a new product b) don't rush removing SL support from your current products, this can be done in future releases. to application implementors: a) avoid

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Moore
> To the implementors: > a) don't implement SL if you are designing a new product > b) don't rush removing SL support from your current products, this can > be done in future releases. to application implementors: a) avoid using SL addresses in applications that exchange addresses b) don't

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-05 Thread Alain Durand
The whole story about deprecating Site Local has led to very complex discussions that a lot of people had difficulties to follow, partly because the issues are complex and partly because of the heat of the debate. As we are coming near to a conclusion to this painful story, I believe we owe impl

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Huitema
> > It would actually be much simpler and less confusing to say only > > "The special behavior of this prefix SHOULD no longer be supported" > > and nothing about existing deployments. > > This doesn't work operationally, because people use site-locals today. > And as we've debated endlessly we d

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-05 Thread Eliot Lear
Alain Durand wrote: I have a last comment on section 4 deprecation. The document says: "The special behavior of this prefix MUST no longer be supported in new implementations" and later on it says: "Existing implementations and deployments MAY continue to use this prefix." I find those 2 state

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-12-04 Thread Alain Durand
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deprecating Site Local Addresses Author(s) : C. Huitema, B. Carp

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-02.txt

2003-11-19 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deprecating Site Local Addresses Author(s) : C. Huitema, B. Carpenter Filename