Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 03:11:42PM -0400, Bound, Jim wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Hints Node Reqs I agree. Hints in others I never agreed to at all. > That does not mean that is not the case but lets be clear here people > are running agendas and that is a fact. DHCPv6 will be used by users > and requir

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-20 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:10:07 -0400, > "Bound, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It is relevant completely to users and implementation your wrong. Just for some clarification since I was perhaps not very clear: When I said >> Fine, but please note that this particular point is not at

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Bound, Jim
: Bound, Jim > Cc: Ralph Droms; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ? > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Bound, Jim wrote: > > The key is the ongoing debate of stateless vs stateful and members > > working their agendas for the

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Bound, Jim
ursday, August 19, 2004 8:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ? > > Hi Jim, > > I thought we had reached a concensus that the O/M flags were > now only hints, as part of the IPv6 Node Requirements text > (in 4.5.5 and 5.2), a

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315

2004-08-19 Thread Grubmair Peter
I support 2. M=1 => Solicit/Advertise/Request/Reply is available O=1 => Information-request/Reply is available and hope that the flags will remain independent from each other. Best regards Peter IETF IPv6 working group

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Stig Venaas
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Bound, Jim wrote: > The key is the ongoing debate of stateless vs stateful and members > working their agendas for their products. The bottom line is the users > will use stateful and stateless and we need a way to permit that and > also inform implementor

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Tim Chown
IL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Ralph Droms > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:01 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ? > > > > Ignoring the issue of whether the service available when 0=1 > > is a subset of

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Bound, Jim
t; To: Bound, Jim > Cc: Christian Huitema; S. Daniel Park; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ? > > >>>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:54:48 -0400, "Bound, Jim" > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:54:48 -0400, > "Bound, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I did not ever agree to that as a note. If it is set the admin has said > you should use it the admin is in charge not the host. Fine, but please note that this particular point is not at all relevant to the

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Bound, Jim
is the bottom line. How we say it seems to be still a debate. /jim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ralph Droms > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: M=1/O=0 is not

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-19 Thread Bound, Jim
2:10 AM > To: S. Daniel Park; JINMEI Tatuya / ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ? > > > Besides, as jinmei indicated earlier as editor of 2462bis, > M flag (ON) > > indicated that the host (should) u

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-18 Thread Ralph Droms
Ignoring the issue of whether the service available when 0=1 is a subset of the service available when M=1 for a minute... Practically speaking, even if we legislate that an RA is not allowed to have M=1/O=0 or M=1/O=1, in practice, at some point, some host will receive an RA with one of those dis

Re: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-18 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:10:29 -0700, > "Christian Huitema" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Besides, as jinmei indicated earlier as editor of 2462bis, M flag (ON) >> indicated that the host (should) use the stateful protocol for address >> autoconfiguration. This should mean the M flag (ON)

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-17 Thread S. Daniel Park
> I disagree with the "host should use" part of this statement. We reached > a consensus on this point in previous discussion. The consensus is "the > M=1 flag indicates that the host MAY use the stateful protocol for > address autoconfiguration" -- i.e., that this protocol is available > should th

RE: M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-17 Thread Christian Huitema
> Besides, as jinmei indicated earlier as editor of 2462bis, M flag (ON) > indicated that the host (should) use the stateful protocol for address > autoconfiguration. This should mean the M flag (ON) indicates > Solicit/Advertise/Request/Reply. I disagree with the "host should use" part of this st

M=1/O=0 is not valid in full 3315 ?

2004-08-17 Thread S. Daniel Park
(Just for easy tracking of this thread, I am slighly changing the subject) As I described in this draft, 3736 is definitely subset of 3315, thus, a host implementing 3315 can do both or either Stateful DHCPv6 for configuring the IPv6 address and Stateless DHCPv6 for the other information. Also M