Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-06-01 Thread Ralph Droms
On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:42 PM 6/1/11, Thomas Narten wrote: > Brian E Carpenter writes: > >> Ray, > >> Without going into details: how about turning this into >> draft-hunter-v6ops-something and having the debate over in v6ops? > >> I think that would be useful, personally. > > Actually, let me

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-06-01 Thread Thomas Narten
Brian E Carpenter writes: > Ray, > Without going into details: how about turning this into > draft-hunter-v6ops-something and having the debate over in v6ops? > I think that would be useful, personally. Actually, let me suggest something else. Before spending a whole lot of time on this topic

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Ralph Droms
On May 31, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2011 09:24:19 -0700 > james woodyatt wrote: > >> On May 30, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >>> >>> [...] IPv6 systems come, at least today, with SLAAC as the default. So >>> there is a requirement to configure DHCPv6, a

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 31 May 2011 09:24:19 -0700 james woodyatt wrote: > On May 30, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > > > [...] IPv6 systems come, at least today, with SLAAC as the default. So > > there is a requirement to configure DHCPv6, at least from that perspective. > > That said, SLAAC ain't go

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Ralph Droms
On May 30, 2011, at 10:38 PM 5/30/11, Fred Baker wrote: > > On May 30, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Ray Hunter wrote: > >> This is danger of going off topic I know (maybe it should go in v6ops), but >> it's important to me to be able to understand the consequences of the >> discussion, so please bear wi

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Ray, Without going into details: how about turning this into draft-hunter-v6ops-something and having the debate over in v6ops? I think that would be useful, personally. Regards Brian On 2011-06-01 08:52, Ray Hunter wrote: > Sorry a couple of important typos on RFC numbers: email escaped too

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Ray Hunter
Sorry a couple of important typos on RFC numbers: email escaped too early. Disregard previous message, and use this one. Ray Hunter wrote: It's definitely going to become an operational FAQ, unless it is very clear whether/how a network operator can force equivalent use of DHCPv4 static address

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Ray Hunter
Ray Hunter wrote: It's definitely going to become an operational FAQ, unless it is very clear whether/how a network operator can force equivalent use of DHCPv4 static address assignment for both source and destination addresses via DHCPv6 (possibly by turning off SLAAC for assignment of GUA on

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread james woodyatt
On May 30, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > [...] IPv6 systems come, at least today, with SLAAC as the default. So there > is a requirement to configure DHCPv6, at least from that perspective. That > said, SLAAC ain't gonna happen in the absence of RAs, and you can disable RAs > on the r

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-31 Thread Tim Chown
On 31 May 2011, at 03:38, Fred Baker wrote: > > I would expect, however, that the use of DHCP is something configured on the > system in question, just like it is in IPv4. Not that there is an > auto-configure option in IPv4 - the other alternative is manual > configuration, and most systems c

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-30 Thread Fred Baker
On May 30, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Ray Hunter wrote: > This is danger of going off topic I know (maybe it should go in v6ops), but > it's important to me to be able to understand the consequences of the > discussion, so please bear with me. It's definitely going to become an > operational FAQ, unles

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-30 Thread Ray Hunter
This is danger of going off topic I know (maybe it should go in v6ops), but it's important to me to be able to understand the consequences of the discussion, so please bear with me. It's definitely going to become an operational FAQ, unless it is very clear whether/how a network operator can fo

Re: Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-30 Thread Fred Baker
On May 30, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > For example, setting the DSCP *as a function of > the source address* makes me cringe. We're going to have to get used to > the fact that IP addresses are not constants. good grief. The only reasonable use of a DSCP is to identify the set o

Multiple addresses [was Node Requirements: Elevating DHCPv6 from MAY to SHOULD]

2011-05-30 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Ray, On 2011-05-31 08:05, Ray Hunter wrote: ... > Which source address (SLAAC/DHCPv6) would be used by the client for an > outbound session if a SLAAC address and a DHCPv6 were both configured on > the same link and with the same prefix, in the absence of a flag? Whichever RFC3484bis or the loca