Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-08 Thread Vishwas Manral
; >> > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > >> > >> > >>> Subject: RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary > >> > > >> > Sorry, that was a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. > >> > > >> > John

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:16 PM > To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. > Cc: Vishwas Manral; Tim Enos; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary > > I don't see why this would

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
summary >> > >> > Sorry, that was a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. >> > >> > John >> > >> > >-Original Message- >> > >From: ext Vishwas Manral [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >Sent: 05 March

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-03-08 07:32, Bob Hinden wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:15 PM, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> I don't see why this would belong in a generic IPv6 node >> requirement. It belongs in the OSPFv3 spec. > > It certainly belongs in the OSPFv3 specification, but I don't see any > harm in put

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-08 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
> -Original Message- > From: Dunn, Jeffrey H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I believe that the real issue is the following: > > 1. Simply authenticating the message contents, as in the case of > ESP-NULL, does not authenticate the sender. > 2. Since ESP-NULL does not provide confidentialit

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-07 Thread Bob Hinden
On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:15 PM, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I don't see why this would belong in a generic IPv6 node > requirement. It belongs in the OSPFv3 spec. It certainly belongs in the OSPFv3 specification, but I don't see any harm in putting a note into IPv6 node requirements that the IP

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Dunn, Jeffrey H.
: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary ESP == MUST && AH == MUST There is a major problem with ESP/NULL & firewalls, so AH has to be there. The crap about lack of an API as

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Dunn, Jeffrey H.
PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary I don't see why this would belong in a generic IPv6 node requirement. It belongs in the OSPFv3 spec. Brian On 2008-03-07 08:57, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > Vishwas and Tim, > > I would prefer

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Vishwas Manral
ECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:15 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > > > > Subject: RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary > > > > So

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Dunn, Jeffrey H.
008 2:45 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: Brian E Carpenter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary Hi Jeff, You are close but still not quite there. OSPFv2 had some fields in all packets (LSA is not a packet but a content in a packet) to send a

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Tony Hain
Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary > > Sorry, that was a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. > > John > > >-Original Message- > >From: ext Vishwas

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Tim Enos
m Enos Ps 84:10-12 >Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary >Hi Tim, > >You may have not read the OSPFv3 security RFC - RFC4552. It states clearly: > > In order to provide authentication to OSPFv3, implementations MUST > support ESP and MAY support AH. > &

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
gt; >Jeffrey Dunn >> >Info Systems Eng., Lead >> >MITRE Corporation. >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of >> >Brian E Carpenter >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Dunn, Jeffrey H.
.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary Hi Tim, You may have not read the OSPFv3 security RFC - RFC4552. It states clearly: In order to provide authentication to OSPFv3, implementations MUST support ESP and MAY support AH. Thanks

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2008-03-06 Thread Vishwas Manral
> > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Brian E Carpenter > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary >

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2008-03-06 Thread Vishwas Manral
gt; > >On 2008-03-06 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Sorry, that was a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. > >> > >> John > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: ext Vishwas Manral [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Tim Enos
>Jeffrey Dunn >Info Systems Eng., Lead >MITRE Corporation. >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Brian E Carpenter >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:22 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >Subject:

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-06 Thread Dunn, Jeffrey H.
Eng., Lead MITRE Corporation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary If we write a

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, > If we write a SHOULD we really do need some guidance > as to when it doesn't apply. Otherwise we make it too > easy for product managers to simply cross it off the list. > How about > > The normal expectation is that a complete IPv6 stack > includes an implementation of ESP. However,

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
as a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. > > John > >> -Original Message- >> From: ext Vishwas Manral [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 05 March, 2008 12:12 >> To: Loughney John (Nokia-OCTO/PaloAlto) >> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: Secu

RE: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-05 Thread john.loughney
Sorry, that was a cut & paste mistake. AH is a MAY. John >-Original Message- >From: ext Vishwas Manral [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 05 March, 2008 12:12 >To: Loughney John (Nokia-OCTO/PaloAlto) >Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >Subject: Re: Security Requirements for IPv6

Re: Security Requirements for IPv6 Node Req summary

2008-03-05 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi John, RFC4301 states AH is optional. Is there a reason why we are making it a MUST be supported feature. Below quoting RFC4301: "IPsec implementations MUST support ESP and MAY support AH." Thanks, Vishwas On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > The RFC