Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-07-02 Thread Bill Manning
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 06:21:10PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > Very late to this party, but: > > On 27-Jun-2007, at 09:11, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > >We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what > >I mean > >is that they are /48s and I don't expect to see /48s routed glo

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-07-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-07-02 00:21, Joe Abley wrote: Very late to this party, but: On 27-Jun-2007, at 09:11, Brian E Carpenter wrote: We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what I mean is that they are /48s and I don't expect to see /48s routed globally. Architecturally, they are cer

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-07-01 Thread Joe Abley
Very late to this party, but: On 27-Jun-2007, at 09:11, Brian E Carpenter wrote: We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what I mean is that they are /48s and I don't expect to see /48s routed globally. Architecturally, they are certainly routeable (and so are /128s). B

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-06-27 20:38, Roger Jorgensen wrote: On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Templin, Fred L wrote: I thought the ULA-C registry was supposed to be something very simple like a robot. yes but that's before we all started to consider what troubles we could get into by opening up ULA-C... I think that's

RE: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Roger Jorgensen
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Templin, Fred L wrote: I thought the ULA-C registry was supposed to be something very simple like a robot. yes but that's before we all started to consider what troubles we could get into by opening up ULA-C... -- -- Roger Jorgensen

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Leo Vegoda wrote: > On 27 Jun 2007, at 1:03pm, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > [...] > >>> Most childhood illnesses go away but the /48 assignments made by ARIN >>> and APNIC are permanent. What incentive is there - or will there be - >>> for those organisations to return their prefixes and take PA spac

RE: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Templin, Fred L
plin, Fred L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:19 PM > > To: Jeroen Massar; Leo Vegoda > > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; Brian E Carpenter; Pekka Savola > > Subject: RE: ULA and WAN-routability > > > > > In effect one can indeed also use ULA

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 27 Jun 2007, at 1:03pm, Jeroen Massar wrote: [...] Most childhood illnesses go away but the /48 assignments made by ARIN and APNIC are permanent. What incentive is there - or will there be - for those organisations to return their prefixes and take PA space from one or more of their upstr

RE: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Kevin Kargel
is not cost per IP address but cost per database entry. > -Original Message- > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:19 PM > To: Jeroen Massar; Leo Vegoda > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; Brian E Carpenter; Pekka Savola > Subject: RE:

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Leo Vegoda wrote: > On 27 Jun 2007, at 10:52am, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Thanks for the facts. It does seem like a childhood illness >> though - obviously it isn't sustainable as IPv6 grows up. > > Most childhood illnesses go away but the /48 assignments made by ARIN > and APNIC are permanen

RE: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Templin, Fred L
> In effect one can indeed also use ULA-C kind of addresses as > "Identifiers" as they are truly globally unique just like PI, but that > is the whole point why ULA-C is futile: they _are_ just like PI ;) > Except that they will be carved out of a special prefix and > handled in a > strange way. A

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 27 Jun 2007, at 10:52am, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Thanks for the facts. It does seem like a childhood illness though - obviously it isn't sustainable as IPv6 grows up. Most childhood illnesses go away but the /48 assignments made by ARIN and APNIC are permanent. What incentive is there -

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Thanks for the facts. It does seem like a childhood illness > though - obviously it isn't sustainable as IPv6 grows up. It indeed most likely won't in the very long term. But hopefully the id/loc mechanisms or shim6 or similar solutions will make sure that the "IPv6 DFZ

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Thanks for the facts. It does seem like a childhood illness though - obviously it isn't sustainable as IPv6 grows up. Brian On 2007-06-27 16:06, Jeroen Massar wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: [..] We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what I mean is that they are /4

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Brian E Carpenter wrote: [..] > We can argue about the meaning of "intrinsically" I guess. But what I mean > is that they are /48s and I don't expect to see /48s routed globally. Quickly checking http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/, taking a rather long raw-dump of it, cut&pasting it into a textfile a

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-06-27 14:17, Pekka Savola wrote: Catching up on email.. On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: ... I see only downsides (unnecessary costs and useless policy discussions) in treating this as anything but a purely technical matter. Let's leave the policy discussions for matters wh

Re: ULA and WAN-routability

2007-06-27 Thread Pekka Savola
Catching up on email.. On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: ... I see only downsides (unnecessary costs and useless policy discussions) in treating this as anything but a purely technical matter. Let's leave the policy discussions for matters where fairness and route scaling are at stak