RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-08-07 Thread Dave Thaler
ler > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:56 PM > To: Brian E Carpenter; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt] > > I'm ok with the updated text Brian posted. > > To comment on the other points others raised: > > * I agree th

Re: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt

2012-07-18 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Stuart Cheshire wr ites: > On 16 Jul, 2012, at 20:50, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Stuart, > > your mail client botched the Content-type line generation. > > You may want to report it. > > > > Content-type: image/png; x-unix-mode=0644; name=Whatis' > > "?.png"="" > > Conte

Re: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt

2012-07-18 Thread Stuart Cheshire
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RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-16 Thread Dave Thaler
t; From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Brian E Carpenter > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:58 AM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt] > > Without consulting my co-author, here's

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:51:13AM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > RFC 6021 clearly uses a textual format on the wire. > > Yes, but there's a problem IMHO. 6021 says: > > " The canonical format for the zone index is >the numerical format as described in RFC 4007, Section >11.2." >

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-16 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Regards Brian Carpenter On 16/07/2012 10:58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 08:03:03AM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Juergen, >> >>> The "%" >>> separator is also embedded in other IETF standards-track specifications; >> Can you be specific about that? The conte

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 08:03:03AM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Juergen, > > > The "%" > > separator is also embedded in other IETF standards-track specifications; > > Can you be specific about that? The context here is very specific and > I am not aware of any other standards that are relev

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-16 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Juergen, > The "%" > separator is also embedded in other IETF standards-track specifications; Can you be specific about that? The context here is very specific and I am not aware of any other standards that are relevant to IPv6 literals. There clearly isn't consensus in the WG on a change to the

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-15 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 05:19:36PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > ... OK, as a result of Dave's comments, we now say: > > " Section 11 of RFC 4007 is updated to allow "-" as well as "%" as the >preceding delimiter of a ZoneID." > > What we do *not* say is to recommend or suggest that all

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 15/07/2012 12:34, Simon Perreault wrote: > On 07/15/2012 03:57 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Unfortunately there is no way to resolve the discrepancy between >> the two approaches mentioned above (raw "%" versus "%25") and >> therefore we recommend general implementation of the new

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-15 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/15/2012 03:57 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Unfortunately there is no way to resolve the discrepancy between the two approaches mentioned above (raw "%" versus "%25") and therefore we recommend general implementation of the new "-" syntax defined by this document. This will a

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Without consulting my co-author, here's my personal suggestion for a change to the draft. There's just time to submit an update before the cutoff, if people respond immediately. OLD In recent years, web browsers have evolved considerably and now accept and parse many forms of input that are

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-14 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/14/12 13:04, Brian E Carpenter wrote: So obviously browser implementers should be involved in this discussion? We shouldn't be "telling" them, we should be discussing with them. Yes, but I think that's outside the scope of the present draft. I understand that there is forum for such discu

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 14/07/2012 15:39, Simon Perreault wrote: > On 07/14/2012 04:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 12/07/2012 23:34, SM wrote: >>> Hi Simon, >>> At 12:47 12-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Suggestion: On input, applications MUST accept the formal syntax and MAY accept another synta

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-14 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/14/2012 04:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 12/07/2012 23:34, SM wrote: Hi Simon, At 12:47 12-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Suggestion: On input, applications MUST accept the formal syntax and MAY accept another syntax. On output, applications MUST use the formal syntax and MUST NOT u

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 12/07/2012 23:34, SM wrote: > Hi Simon, > At 12:47 12-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: >> Suggestion: >> On input, applications MUST accept the formal syntax and MAY accept >> another syntax. >> On output, applications MUST use the formal syntax and MUST NOT use >> another syntax. > > As long as

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-13 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/13/2012 12:00 PM, SM wrote: Hi Simon, At 05:35 13-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Have you heard of Postel's law? I try to be liberal in accepting arguments arguments from by implementers. My proposal stemmed from Dave Thaler's argument... not sure what you're implying. I am conser

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-13 Thread SM
Hi Simon, At 05:35 13-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Have you heard of Postel's law? I try to be liberal in accepting arguments arguments from by implementers. I am conservative when it comes to usage of RFC 2119 key words. Regards, -sm --

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-13 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/12/2012 06:34 PM, SM wrote: Hi Simon, At 12:47 12-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Suggestion: On input, applications MUST accept the formal syntax and MAY accept another syntax. On output, applications MUST use the formal syntax and MUST NOT use another syntax. As long as an implementati

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-12 Thread SM
Hi Simon, At 12:47 12-07-2012, Simon Perreault wrote: Suggestion: On input, applications MUST accept the formal syntax and MAY accept another syntax. On output, applications MUST use the formal syntax and MUST NOT use another syntax. As long as an implementation supports the formal syntax, th

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-12 Thread Simon Perreault
On 07/12/2012 03:16 PM, Dave Thaler wrote: Because it's completely unpredictable without having browser-specific knowledge which I think is inappropriate here, I don't think it should recommend either one. Making a recommendation in this document will just increase the likelihood of interoperab

RE: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-12 Thread Dave Thaler
by the broad base of already deployed apps and libraries. We don't want to make the situation worse, and this sort of recommendation just makes the current bad situation worse. -Dave > -Original Message----- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf

[Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt]

2012-07-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
l URI syntax defined above." The URI list raised no objection to the formal syntax change. Brian + Bob (as author) Original Message Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:23:52 -0700 From: internet-dra...@ietf.org To: i-d-annou..

I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt

2012-07-11 Thread internet-drafts
) : Brian Carpenter Robert M. Hinden Filename: draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-02.txt Pages : 10 Date: 2012-07-11 Abstract: This document describes how the Zone Identifier of an IPv6 scoped address can be represented in