Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-15 Thread Fred Templin
The premises I'm working from are all in here: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-templin-ipv6-localcomm-04.txt If you think there is something false about them, you'll have to tell us all by way of commenting on the draft. Thanks - Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Moore wrote: Fred,

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-13 Thread Keith Moore
Fred, you're working from false premises, so your conclusions are invalid. Keith Keith,   You are just plain wrong; read the Mirriam-Webster definitions for terms like "organization", "enterprise", etc. then read:    http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-templin-ipv6- localcomm-04.txt

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-13 Thread Fred Templin
Keith,   You are just plain wrong; read the Mirriam-Webster definitions for terms like "organization", "enterprise", etc. then read:     http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-templin-ipv6-localcomm-04.txt   and you will see that "organizational scope" is the logical choice.   Fred [EMAIL P

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-07 Thread Thomas Bohnert
Hi, my proposal: Range Restricted Addresses RRAs. Thomas Am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2003 19:21 schrieb George Gross: > Hi, > how about "private scope addresses"? or when all else fails, draw > the name out of a hat one word at a time ;o) > > br, > George > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Brian

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-06 Thread George Gross
Hi, how about "private scope addresses"? or when all else fails, draw the name out of a hat one word at a time ;o) br, George On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Keith Moore wrote: > > > > > I've chewed on this for quite a while, and I think some derivative > > > of "p

RE: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-06 Thread john . loughney
> I don't think they're inherently specific to anything. They're simply > addresses that cannot be routed globally. Then lets just call them NGRA - Not Globally Routed Addresses. John IETF IPv6 working group mailing list [EM

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-06 Thread Keith Moore
I've chewed on this for quite a while, and I think some derivative of "private" would be good but a suggestion we heard earlier is even better. I recall seeing some time back the suggestion of "Organizational Addresses", and I think this fits best of all. that's completely ridiculous. these addres

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Keith Moore wrote: > > > I've chewed on this for quite a while, and I think some derivative > > of "private" would be good but a suggestion we heard earlier is > > even better. I recall seeing some time back the suggestion of > > "Organizational Addresses", and I think this fits best of all. > >

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-04 Thread Keith Moore
> I've chewed on this for quite a while, and I think some derivative > of "private" would be good but a suggestion we heard earlier is > even better. I recall seeing some time back the suggestion of > "Organizational Addresses", and I think this fits best of all. that's completely ridiculous. the

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-12-04 Thread Fred Templin
Bob/Brian,   I've chewed on this for quite a while, and I think some derivative of "private" would be good but a suggestion we heard earlier is even better. I recall seeing some time back the suggestion of "Organizational Addresses", and I think this fits best of all.   An "organization" could be t

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-26 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Fred Templin wrote: I'll take mnemonic power, but could do without the cuteness. How about: IDEA - Independently-Delegated Endpoint Address IDEA is the name of a block cypher too, 128bit keylength, so don't talk to CGA people about IDEA addresses because there might be confusions :-) Alex --

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Keith Moore
Well, maybe I wasn't paying much attention when that particular rathole was being discussed, so I don't realize how painful it was. Anyway, I've put in well more than my two cents' worth on this topic. Keith > Hmm - so it seems that you *are* willing to go full circle > and spin in the ratho

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Bob Hinden
At 12:58 AM 11/24/2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Politically, calling them private addresses will work best, even if it offends end-to-end purists such as myself. I don't think cute geek acronyms work for this. We're looking for a suitable chapter heading for a dummies' guide book. "Configuring p

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Fred Templin
Hmm - so it seems that you *are* willing to go full circle and spin in the rathole? Have fun, but please don't try to take the wg with you; we have already spent way too much time there. Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Moore wrote: You are coming dangerously close to completing the full-circle and

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Keith Moore
> You are coming dangerously close to completing the full-circle and > bringing us back to the term "limited range" which was en vogue for > some time. well, to me "limited range" seems less dangerous than "private addresses", but others might disagree.

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Fred Templin
Keith, Keith Moore wrote: More on this point - I have two specific concerns about the use of "private addresses" 1. potential confusion with RFC 1918 addresses, including the association of RFC 1918 addresses with "non-routable outside of the local network" and "used with NATs". 2. potential

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Zefram
Keith Moore wrote: >mumble. is there a way to call them something that sounds politically >correct without giving the impression that these addresses only work on >the local network? "Private" doesn't give me that impression. "Private" suggests to me that they work within a region determined b

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Keith Moore
More on this point - I have two specific concerns about the use of "private addresses" 1. potential confusion with RFC 1918 addresses, including the association of RFC 1918 addresses with "non-routable outside of the local network" and "used with NATs". 2. potential confusion with RFC 3041 "pri

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Keith Moore
Politically, calling them private addresses will work best, even if it offends end-to-end purists such as myself. mumble. is there a way to call them something that sounds politically correct without giving the impression that these addresses only work on the local network?

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-24 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Politically, calling them private addresses will work best, even if it offends end-to-end purists such as myself. I don't think cute geek acronyms work for this. We're looking for a suitable chapter heading for a dummies' guide book. "Configuring private addresses for your network." - Brian

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-22 Thread Keith Moore
GUPIs ("guppies") and PUPIs ("puppies") are things that little children like to bring home from their local pet store. and therefore when network experts uses those terms it will nearly always be clear from context whether they mean pets or addresses - unlike ideas, which some people actually do

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-22 Thread Fred Templin
Keith,   GUPIs ("guppies") and PUPIs ("puppies") are things that little children like to bring home from their local pet store.   IDEAs are things that all Internet users from the most seasoned professional to the rankest novice immediately associate with the pure essence of technology. The unspoke

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-21 Thread Keith Moore
I'll take mnemonic power, but could do without the cuteness. IMO, some amount of cuteness is actually useful - it encourages people to use them. IETF IPv6 working group mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Administrative Requests: htt

Re: names for non-global addresses

2003-11-21 Thread Fred Templin
I'll take mnemonic power, but could do without the cuteness. How about: IDEA - Independently-Delegated Endpoint Address Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Moore wrote: I still prefer GUPI (pronounced "guppy" like the fish) - globally unique provider-independent PUPI (pronounced "puppy" like a young

names for non-global addresses

2003-11-20 Thread Keith Moore
I still prefer GUPI (pronounced "guppy" like the fish) - globally unique provider-independent PUPI (pronounced "puppy" like a young dog) - probably unique provider-independent as having about the right ratio of cuteness to mnemonic power. ---