Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Eric Klein
Erik Nordmark wrote: > > > I agree that the security issues here are great, and that there is a need in > > the Management world for this feature. If you could limit this to an SNMP v3 > > secure function and not a IPv6 function then maybe we could work this out > > within the security concerns of

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Eric Klein
Tom Petch wrote: > > > > > I think that might be a reasonable middle ground. It would still make it > > > harder than in IPv4 to explore all hosts, yet one can have e.g. SNMP > > > access to a local agent on the link that provide this (with appropriate > > > SNMP security) to allow remote managemen

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Erik Nordmark
Eric Klein wrote: I agree that the security issues here are great, and that there is a need in the Management world for this feature. If you could limit this to an SNMP v3 secure function and not a IPv6 function then maybe we could work this out within the security concerns of all involved. But

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Tom Petch
Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Eric Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks. > Erik Nordmark wrote: > > > I think that might be a reasonable middle gr

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Eric Klein
Erik Nordmark wrote: > I think that might be a reasonable middle ground. It would still make it > harder than in IPv4 to explore all hosts, yet one can have e.g. SNMP > access to a local agent on the link that provide this (with appropriate > SNMP security) to allow remote management. > > Elsewhe

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-03 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: It's important that the solution allows the tool to discover multiple addresses used by a single node, i.e. the management view should show a multiaddressed node (e.g. two globals and seven RFC3041 addresses on one node) and not believe it's viewing mu

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Mohacsi, Greg, On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Mohacsi Janos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Mark Smith wrote: > > > Hi Greg, > > > > On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:48:42 +1000 > > Greg Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> At

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 09:49:17AM -0700, Erik Nordmark wrote: > > That is the case if a remote node can do the discovery operation. But if > the discovery operation is limited to nodes on the link, then we don't > have the "remote" concern. > > I think that might be a reasonable middle ground.

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Francis Dupont
I don't like multicast-based random discovery but about the security it is why we have scoped multicast... Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: I am in favor of as possible passive mechanisms, and in my IMHO too active mechanisms won't get better result just because too many devices will be configured

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Greg, On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:48:42 +1000 Greg Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, At the moment there's no security for MLD, but the risk is limited to link-local addresses which are not vulnerable to off-link attacks. Until malware, del

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Erik Nordmark
Greg Daley wrote: I'm concerned that if there is a way to find out all the nodes on a link, that this information may be used (by the querier, or another device) to cause remote flooding attacks onto a network, or to particular otherwise unmodified hosts. That is the case if a remote node can

Re: network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Greg, On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:48:42 +1000 Greg Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > At the moment there's no security for MLD, but the risk is > limited to link-local addresses which are not vulnerable to > off-link attacks. > Until malware, delivered as an email payload or via

network/all-host discovery and flooding attacks.

2005-08-02 Thread Greg Daley
Hi, I think there are some interesting discussions going on in a different thread, but I thought I'd start a new thread in order to talk about a contentious issue without polluting the other. Regarding draft-pashby-ipv6-network-discovery-00.txt, this provides a mechanism for devices to be made