Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 25/Oct/17 21:41, Luis Balbinot wrote: > Never underestimate your reference-bandwidth! > > We recently set all our routers to 1000g (1 Tbps) and it was not a > trivial task. And now I feel like I'm going to regret that in a couple > years. Even if you work with smaller circuits, having larger

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 25/Oct/17 20:47, Saku Ytti wrote: > There are to principal IGP designs. One would be role based, where > metric is static depending on roles of A and B end of connection. Such > as P-P, P-PE, PE-PE. This strategy is well suited for networks where > hop count is similar to geographic distance

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-26 Thread Saku Ytti
On 27 October 2017 at 02:05, Pavel Lunin wrote: > Basically I agree with your concept, but it's worth to note that you assume > the current traffic as "given" and that links can't be saturated. This > assumption only holds when there is a great number of short-lived low > bandwidth sessions, lik

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-26 Thread Pavel Lunin
Well, in fact I rather meant a different way of setting the role based costs rather than treating real link bandwidth as 1/cost. >For LAG you should set minimum links to a number which allows you to >carry traffic you need. OK, good point. Though I am not sure that all vendors allow to do it this

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Saku Ytti
How different the bandwidth topology ends up being to strict hop-count topology? How many changes would you need in hop-count topology to make it same? What I'm trying to say, if the bandwidth topology works, probably just static number would work, as options between two nodes are all reasonable.

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Luis Balbinot
Well, for the 99% of us that only do basic stuff with a TE tunnel every now and then that works fine. For those that have extremely demanding customers and critical services you will need some sort of external controller to manage all that anyway and then we are basically replaced by scripts ;-)

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Saku Ytti
I disagree. Either traffic fits or it does not fit on SPT path, bandwidth is irrelevant. For LAG you should set minimum links to a number which allows you to carry traffic you need. Ideally you have capacity redundancy on SPT level, if best path goes down, you know redundant path, and you know it

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Pavel Lunin
Reference bandwidth might however be useful for lags, when you may want to lower the cost of a link if some members go down (though I prefer ECMP in the core for most cases). And you can combine the role/latency approach with automatic reference bandwidth-based cost, if you configure 'bandwidth' p

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, This only matters if you are letting system assign metric automatically based on bandwidth. Whole notion of preferring interfaces with most bandwidth is fundamentally broken. If you are using this design, you might as well assign same number to every interface and use strict hop count. On 25

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Luis Balbinot
Never underestimate your reference-bandwidth! We recently set all our routers to 1000g (1 Tbps) and it was not a trivial task. And now I feel like I'm going to regret that in a couple years. Even if you work with smaller circuits, having larger numbers will give you more range to play around. Lui

Re: [j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Alexander, > we're redesigning our backbone with multiple datacenters and pops currently > and looking for a best practice or a recommendation for configuring the > metrics. > What we have for now is a full meshed backbone with underlaying isis. IBGP > exports routes without any metric. LSP

[j-nsp] Best practice for igp/bgp metrics

2017-10-25 Thread Alexander Dube
Hello, we're redesigning our backbone with multiple datacenters and pops currently and looking for a best practice or a recommendation for configuring the metrics. What we have for now is a full meshed backbone with underlaying isis. IBGP exports routes without any metric. LSP are in loose mode