On 12/16/16 1:24 PM, Jesper Skriver wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:45:14PM -0600, Aaron wrote:
>> Ah, thanks Jesper... you know how much those 7280's cost ? (just ballpark)
retail on 7280r-48C6 is 40k that's on the small end.
I'd find it rather hard to directly compare that the the scale/fea
> Saku Ytti [mailto:s...@ytti.fi]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:53 PM
>
> On 21 December 2016 at 15:56, wrote:
>
> > This looks like legacy L2 switches, but I think there's very little that is
> actually hardwired in chips of modern high-end core routers.
> >
> > My understanding is th
On 21 December 2016 at 15:56, wrote:
> This looks like legacy L2 switches, but I think there's very little that is
> actually hardwired in chips of modern high-end core routers.
>
> My understanding is that on modern boxes, even in the "Pipeline" setup, the
> "computation element" at each stag
> Saku Ytti [mailto:s...@ytti.fi]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:05 AM
>
> On 21 December 2016 at 12:50, Adam Vitkovsky
> wrote:
>
> > What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter that much how are the
> > PPEs organized on the NPU chip (SMP, Pipeline or even SIMD architecture).
>
On 21 December 2016 at 12:50, Adam Vitkovsky wrote:
> What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter that much how are the PPEs
> organized on the NPU chip (SMP, Pipeline or even SIMD architecture).
In my vocabulary pipeline means ASIC, not NPU. NPU would have many
identical chips sharing the
> Saku Ytti
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:22 PM
>
> On 20 December 2016 at 18:42, wrote:
>
> > Both CRS-X and NCS6k are powered by nPower X1e NPU.
> > And my understanding is that it's Homogeneous(Same PPE type) MPSoC
> i.e. Symmetric MultiProcessing (SMP), much like all the chips out ther
Lets not forget, the list price for a limited PTX1000 is $650,000. Even
with a substantial 95 percent off list discount, it is nowhere close to the
same ballpark as the Arista solution.
Because Arista has no other routing solution out there, I think they have a
pricing advantage. The spent almost
On 20 December 2016 at 18:42, wrote:
> Both CRS-X and NCS6k are powered by nPower X1e NPU.
> And my understanding is that it's Homogeneous(Same PPE type) MPSoC i.e.
> Symmetric MultiProcessing (SMP), much like all the chips out there (used in
> ASR9k or MX and PTX, ...).
> The difference I und
Hey Saku,
> Saku Ytti [mailto:s...@ytti.fi]
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:31 PM
>
> 'can live with MX limitations', is odd thing to say, considering MX is
> NPU/run-
> to-completion, it can do everything, in due time. What limitations does it
> have over PTX? Whole value proposition of PTX
I just briefly skimmed through all the responses for a second look to see if
anyone seemed to actually own/operate a PTX1000. I'm not sure I saw that
anyone actually owns/operates a PTX1000.
Did I miss someone out there that owns/controls/manages the PTX1000 product in
their network ? If so,
On 19 December 2016 at 15:52, wrote:
Hey,
> To be perfectly honest with you, I'd recommend PTX only if you know exactly
> why you need what this platform has to offer. If the answer is I don't
> know/don't care/or can live with MX limitations, then there's no need to
> waste the money on the pr
> Aaron
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:13 PM
>
> Anyone using the PTX1000 ? If so, let me know what you think about it.
>
>
Hey Aaron,
To be perfectly honest with you, I'd recommend PTX only if you know exactly
why you need what this platform has to offer. If the answer is I don't
know/do
But I want it all and I don't want to pay for it :(
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Hannes Viertel
wrote:
> of course you are correct and the HM cubes are off-chip and not on-chip as
> my auto correct stated before.
>
>
> the only point i wanted to make and here i want to close the loop
of course you are correct and the HM cubes are off-chip and not on-chip as my
auto correct stated before.
the only point i wanted to make and here i want to close the loop to colton’s
posting.
In my eyes, there is a significant difference between an barista 7280R and a
PTX1k, both from the so
On 17 December 2016 at 21:26, Hannes Viertel wrote:
Hey,
> PTX1k is based on the paradise chipset and uses only LPM. The lookup memory
> is HMC based and is entirely on-chip. ( that’s at least the fpc3/ptx5k
> behavior, i’m relatively sure it’s the same for ptx1k without having checked
> it
PTX1k is based on the paradise chipset and uses only LPM. The lookup memory is
HMC based and is entirely on-chip. ( that’s at least the fpc3/ptx5k behavior,
i’m relatively sure it’s the same for ptx1k without having checked it
explicitly)
The issue i have is not the black art part…the thing wi
On 17 December 2016 at 19:18, Hannes Viertel wrote:
Hey,
> the PTX1k with the routing license can run both easily… i could give another
> couple of examples where both Juniper and Cisco charge you a premium but in
> return you get a grown-up OS with a relative complete feature list… ( and yes
I believe your milage will vary greatly with the Arista kind of boxes… and to
be honest ( today ) its not an apple to apple comparison… both from hw and sw
feature perspective
not sure what others on the list experienced but i have failed to see the
claimed 1,2m FIB routes really or on the RIB
In fact looking at JNPR market cap, I'm worried of long term
survivability of JNPR right now.
I agree with you Saku. All they talk about is SDN and software solutions.
We are trying to get a quote on PTX1Ks for a long time and they keep
pushing back and want more details on our network, as if th
Thats the actual quote I got on one a while back. Pricing might have
change. About half the price was for the hardware, and the other half was
for the full software.
Tell me another platform for $28k that has 6 100G ports, and 48 10G ports,
and can do full BGP routing for 28K.
On Sat, Dec 17, 201
It's very counter-productive to speak about actual buy prices, as
those vary greatly. Take it with grain of salt. I'm sure people are
paying under 15k and over 30k for 7280.
Scale on PTX1k is much wider, and I know lot of people who have not
even included JNPR in short-list due to the price being
On 17/12/2016 05:28, Colton Conor wrote:
Aaron,
About 28k including hardware, license, and 12 months of support. Not bad
for as many ports as it has, and full BGP.
Hum interesting. Price list or ?
A bit expensive I think for this type of box, for half the price we
begun to talk...
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Ra
Aaron,
About 28k including hardware, license, and 12 months of support. Not bad
for as many ports as it has, and full BGP.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Jesper Skriver wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:45:14PM -0600, Aaron wrote:
> > Ah, thanks Jesper... you know how much those 7280's cost
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:45:14PM -0600, Aaron wrote:
> Ah, thanks Jesper... you know how much those 7280's cost ? (just ballpark)
No idea, sorry.
/Jesper
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Ok thanks, I’m learning a lot today J
From: Tim Jackson [mailto:jackson@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:52 PM
To: Aaron
Cc: Jesper Skriver ; Jared Mauch ;
jnsp ; Tim Durack
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper PTX1000
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos16.1
I agree that the PTX1K is too expensive as well. The QFX10K is a viable
alternative. It's basically the same hardware just different (less) RAM and
no MEF certification (PTX1K is certified). PTX1K has higher scale MPLS like
number of LSPs and what not. Ask your SE to do a side by side on them to
se
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos16.1/topics/concept/mpls-features-qfx-series-overview.html#mpls-features-by-release
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Aaron wrote:
> Thanks Tim(s), I understand the QFX1 isn’t mpls capable.
>
>
>
> Also, I’m thinking the cisco ncs5501 might wor
Thanks Tim(s), I understand the QFX1 isn’t mpls capable.
Also, I’m thinking the cisco ncs5501 might work for me at (6) 100’s. also,
wow, ncs5502 has (48) 100 gig.
-Aaron
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Ah, thanks Jesper... you know how much those 7280's cost ? (just ballpark)
- Aaron
-Original Message-
From: Jesper Skriver [mailto:jes...@skriver.dk]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:30 PM
To: Aaron
Cc: 'Jared Mauch' ; 'Tim Jackson'
; 'jnsp'
Subje
Arista does not have RSVP-TE, nor fully featured BGP-LU..
FlexRoute for full fib usage seems a little like black magic & hand waving
though:
https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Whitepapers/FlexRoute-WP.pdf
The other cheaper option to the PTX1000 is QFX1 when you don't need a
full FIB.
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:21:22PM -0600, Aaron wrote:
> I was thinking about the ptx1000 as a supercore fast mpls swapping p-box. I
> understand it can have (24) 100 gig !
>
> I've seen the PTX1000 referred to as a supercore router , and I understand it
> has MPLS LSR functions (someone told m
t]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:12 PM
> To: Tim Jackson
> Cc: Aaron ; jnsp
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper PTX1000
>
> There’s 3 main boxes in this space, the Cisco NCS550x, PTX1K and the
> Arista 7280 all with varying positives/negatives based on your use case.
>
lots
of 100 gig ?
- Aaron
-Original Message-
From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:12 PM
To: Tim Jackson
Cc: Aaron ; jnsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper PTX1000
There’s 3 main boxes in this space, the Cisco NCS550x, PTX1K and the Arista
728
How much ?
- Aaron
From: Tim Jackson [mailto:jackson@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:09 PM
To: Aaron
Cc: jnsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper PTX1000
It costs wy too much is what I think about it..
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Aaron
There’s 3 main boxes in this space, the Cisco NCS550x, PTX1K and the Arista
7280 all with varying positives/negatives based on your use case.
I’m not aware of many other full fib scale devices in this profile, if I’m
missing some I’d like to know :-)
- Jared
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Tim
It costs wy too much is what I think about it..
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Aaron wrote:
> Anyone using the PTX1000 ? If so, let me know what you think about it.
>
>
>
> - Aaron
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Anyone using the PTX1000 ? If so, let me know what you think about it.
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