Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-03-02 Thread Matthias Gelbhardt
Hi! To clarify my problem, I have found another example: www.snom.de Trace from our core: HOST: lyta.local Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. 192.168.6.1 0.0%100.3 0.4 0.3 0.6 0.1 2. ge-00.cr1.ems.dlrz.net0.0%10

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-27 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:21:26AM +0100, Matthias Gelbhardt wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry for bringing this up again, but something bothers me. > > On several targets the traceroute or mtr is not going through clean, > whereas on my home dsl line it is. I thought about, that every target > where we

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-27 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 07:45:48AM +0100, Matthias Gelbhardt wrote: > Hi! > > That seens to be not working (From datacenter, from home dsl that > works)q: > > traceroute to amazon.de (87.238.81.130), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 91.190.227.17 (91.190.227.17) 0.160 ms 0.279 ms * > 2 *

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-27 Thread Matthias Gelbhardt
Hi! That seens to be not working (From datacenter, from home dsl that works)q: traceroute to amazon.de (87.238.81.130), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 91.190.227.17 (91.190.227.17) 0.160 ms 0.279 ms * 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 www.amazon.de

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-27 Thread Matthias Gelbhardt
Hi! Sorry for bringing this up again, but something bothers me. On several targets the traceroute or mtr is not going through clean, whereas on my home dsl line it is. I thought about, that every target where we have asymmetric routing is behaving like this, but if you say, asymmetric rout

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-08 Thread Tore Anderson
* keegan.hol...@sungard.com > My apologies I misunderstood your question. However, isn't ICMP into > your connector networks a small thing? I don't think anything > catastrophic would happen if someone pinged your router and the return > traffic took your primary link. The traceroute packets wou

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Peter E. Fry
[...] > I guess you could do filter based forwarding to rectify > this behavior, but it seem a little like putting out a > match with a firehose. It's tough to design a simple yet consistent filter-based solution; on the other hand, VRs/VRFs are self-consistent in this respect. Heh. Peter E.

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Keegan . Holley
2c Keegan From: Tore Anderson To: keegan.hol...@sungard.com Cc: juniper-nsp , "Justin M. Streiner" Date: 02/06/2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [j-nsp] network engineering * keegan.hol...@sungard.com > Direct routes always take precedence over BGP unless it's configured > othe

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Tore Anderson
* keegan.hol...@sungard.com > Direct routes always take precedence over BGP unless it's configured > otherwise so hopefully this address is in your IGP or next hop self is > configured. Also, if you talking only about the directly connected > route used for your peer, wouldn't the return traffic

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Tore Anderson wrote: 123.0.0.x is part of AS123's PA space, 321.0.0.x is part of AS321's. Routes received from AS123 has a higher localpref than those from AS321, for whatever reason - like simply being cheaper. If someone on the other side of the internet now sends an ICMP

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Keegan . Holley
dvertising 123.0.0/30 to AS321 and vice versa? From: Tore Anderson To: "Justin M. Streiner" Cc: juniper-nsp Date: 02/06/2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [j-nsp] network engineering Sent by: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net * Justin M. Streiner > There is a common misconception tha

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 10:20:31AM -0500, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > There is a common misconception that asymmetric routing is somehow bad. RFC 3449 suggests the same. I'm not sure how much of this is still relevant for current TCP implementations, I haven't dug into details again. Best rega

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Tore Anderson
* Justin M. Streiner > There is a common misconception that asymmetric routing is somehow bad. > Yes, it can make troubleshooting connectivity problems a bit more > involved, but asymmetry is a perfectly normal condition. Also, even if > you were to enforce symmetry within your network, there is

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Peter E. Fry
- Original Message - From: Mark Tinka > On Friday 06 February 2009 05:09:30 pm Matthias Gelbhardt > wrote: > > > We have asymmetric routing in several cases. I would > > like to know, how you would deal against that? > > The moment you're multi-homed to the Internet, asymmetric > rout

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Matthias Gelbhardt wrote: We have asymmetric routing in several cases. I would like to know, how you would deal against that? Is there a simple way to send the packets out of the same interface, they are received? But on the other hand, many packets are send out by us, and

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Keegan . Holley
or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. From: Matthias Gelbhardt To: juniper-nsp Date: 02/06/2009 04:12 AM Subject: [j-nsp] network engineering Sent by: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net Hi! I hav

Re: [j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday 06 February 2009 05:09:30 pm Matthias Gelbhardt wrote: > We have asymmetric routing in several cases. I would like > to know, how you would deal against that? The moment you're multi-homed to the Internet, asymmetric routing is a fact of life; and it's not really a bad thing. How tra

[j-nsp] network engineering

2009-02-06 Thread Matthias Gelbhardt
Hi! I have a little network engineering question and I would like to know the best practice for that. We have asymmetric routing in several cases. I would like to know, how you would deal against that? Is there a simple way to send the packets out of the same interface, they are received?