Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-07 10:48 PM, Ben Greear wrote: > Install a script on LEDE systems, including a GUI button to use it, > that will gather basic info like dmesg, version info, radios, etc. > > Then, aside from total lockups, users can use that as part of the basic > bug report. > > Users can just paste the

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Ben Greear
Install a script on LEDE systems, including a GUI button to use it, that will gather basic info like dmesg, version info, radios, etc. Then, aside from total lockups, users can use that as part of the basic bug report. Users can just paste the output into their bug report. Thanks, Ben On 05/07

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On the question of moderating bug reports (rather than trying to use a special format to moderate bug reports which a) I don't believe will work and b) hurts more than it helps because of the reduction in getting bug reports at all, I would propose that you ask for volunteers (and I'll be the first

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Daniel Dickinson
One thing that occurs to me is that you're looking at the benefit of not having to close pointless bug reports. Wouldn't it make more sense, though, to still have a web form that posts to the list (requiring the fields you want required and prompting the user to only submit if they're sure it's ac

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-07 05:19 AM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote: > We see a big problem in how Issues at OpenWrt are handled now. OpenWrt > has a very low barrier to report bugs and about 50% of them re not > useful. Most people working on OpenWrt are doing this in their spare > time and I do not think anybody gets pa

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Hauke Mehrtens
On 05/06/2016 05:05 PM, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi all, > > I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already > veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely > contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. > > A strong community welcom

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-07 Thread Hauke Mehrtens
On 05/06/2016 05:05 PM, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi all, > > I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already > veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely > contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. > > A strong community welcom

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Also on the topic of bug reports, having some mechanism for users to report 'I also have this problem, but have nothing new to add' launchpad-esque mechanism for finding how many people the bug affects without spamming the tracker with 'me too', would be good. This helps with a) higher numbers o

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Fernando Frediani
+1 Fernando On 6 May 2016 at 12:05, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi all, > > I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already > veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely > contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. > > A strong commu

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:48 -0400, Daniel Curran-Dickinson wrote: > > As I said, the issue is not with 'only good bug reports', it's with 'we > > can ensure only good bug reports by making it a pain to report bugs at all'. > > I'd also like to point out that if the approach is being taken on the >

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
> As I said, the issue is not with 'only good bug reports', it's with 'we > can ensure only good bug reports by making it a pain to report bugs at all'. I'd also like to point out that if the approach is being taken on the assumption that on technically advanced people write good reports, then I'd

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-06 11:29 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:05 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: >> >> Technical elitism tends give a 'you're not good enough / you don't think >> like us, go away' feel to a community. The 'we won't event look at your >> bug report if it doesn't meet the s

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:05 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > > Technical elitism tends give a 'you're not good enough / you don't think > like us, go away' feel to a community.  The 'we won't event look at your > bug report if it doesn't meet the special format we came up with that no > one else u

[LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi all, I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. A strong community welcomes 'outsiders' and noobs and helps them find their place in the