[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #12 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Buovjaga from comment #10) I will venture a guess that this text in the ODF was contasting a preview of the first page to a generic thumbnail, i.e. not-representing any page. Plus, if the user did not indicate otherwise, then surely that's the page to choose. That is, with the ODF spec not including any explicit mechanism to change that, then that's the appropriate default. Still, good point, and another thing to take up with the TDF-TC. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #11 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Buovjaga from comment #10) > Both this request and the implementation in bug 150317 go against the ODF > spec ... > > It should be a representation of the first page, first sheet, etc. of the > document. Note that SHOULD is not MUST, and allows for reasonable deviations, as per RDF 2119. (Indeed, that RFC isn't mentioned in ODF AFAICT, and also the words are not uppercase, which means that RFC 8174 excludes them from normative meaning; but I believe that ODF uses "should" is a similar fashion.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Buovjaga changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoff ||ice.org --- Comment #10 from Buovjaga --- Both this request and the implementation in bug 150317 go against the ODF spec: https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.4/os/part2-packages/OpenDocument-v1.4-os-part2-packages.html#a_3_8_Preview_Image 3.8 Preview Image Unless a document is encrypted, package producers should generate a preview image of the document that is contained in the package. It should be a representation of the first page, first sheet, etc. of the document. For maximum re-usability of the preview images they shall be generated without any effects, surrounding frames, or borders. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||108747 Keywords|needsUXEval | See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||7087 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting. Some reasonable use cases come in mind: many documents with similar first page, meaningless or even empty first page, and privacy too. A simple solution could be to add a spin edit at the meta data that allows to define the page for thumbs. The alternative, providing an interaction to load a raster graphic into the metadata, solves the wish for user-defined thumbs, for example in case of a template. The OP although insists in having access to a particular page of the document. Related bug 157087 reports an issue with File > Properties > [ ] Save preview image with this document. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108747 [Bug 108747] [META] File properties/settings (meta data) bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #8 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6) > Calc saves the current tab as thumb You mean, the tab that was current when the file was last saved? That's weird and non-intuitive. If I'm working on one of the sheets, does that mean I want it to be the thumbnail? No. > and we could do the same in Writer and Draw/Impress. > Not really obvious and convenient, IMO. Indeed :-) > And I cannot think of a good alternative. Sure you can, I gave you one. > Clumsy interactions like a spinedit at the document > properties dialog to enter the page/slide number for the thumbnail sounds > wrong to me. Well, that would get the job done and require very little implementation effort. But - if you want something less clumsy, you could also add a sheet or sheet + area selection, a bit like what we do for chart source area selection, but with focus on sheets, or just a choice of sheets. That would be a "show, don't tell" choice. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #7 from Mike Kaganski --- I don't see a single reason to implement something that seems to be needed for a single person. Look: there is a "similar" bug 150317 mentioned in comment 2; a change was implemented to address it; and it doesn't fit the submitter of that bug, as seen in comment 3. The idea of Fritz is reasonable (note how it's different from what Eyal asks); and I do not believe that any way to customize the *document* to define some place to use as a thumbnail is generally usable - while I can see someone creating an own *art* to be used as the custom thumbnail. "Current" page? Absolutely unreasonable - both for the author / editor (the view in the moment of saving could make that thumbnail completely non-distinguishable), and for readers (what does the place of editing has to do with the document essence?). A "metadata"? Separate from content -> will immediately need manual synchronization after a slightest edit. An in-document "marker"? Well, maybe - but that would be likely difficult to maintain; e.g., it is most possibly be invisible in "normal" mode (= without formatting marks); and then it will be easily dropped... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[email protected] --- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze --- Calc saves the current tab as thumb and we could do the same in Writer and Draw/Impress. Not really obvious and convenient, IMO. And I cannot think of a good alternative. Clumsy interactions like a spinedit at the document properties dialog to enter the page/slide number for the thumbnail sounds wrong to me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #5 from Fritz R. Paul --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #4) > (In reply to Fritz R. Paul from comment #3) > > There should be an option to set the thumbnail picture > > with an external picture > > This bring me back to my assumption in the second paragraph "let us assume > that the thumbnail is always a page of the document" - you're saying that > this assumption is not generally valid. And I don't disagree. The question > is, should a separate bug be filed for that or should the scope of this one > be expanded? I would prefer to have this handled in one place only and expand this bug (which probably should be a feature request). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Fritz R. Paul from comment #3) > There should be an option to set the thumbnail picture > with an external picture This bring me back to my assumption in the second paragraph "let us assume that the thumbnail is always a page of the document" - you're saying that this assumption is not generally valid. And I don't disagree. The question is, should a separate bug be filed for that or should the scope of this one be expanded? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 --- Comment #3 from Fritz R. Paul --- (In reply to Rafael Lima from comment #2) > A similar request for Calc was made in bug 150317. It was fixed by Andreas > for 25.8. While the bug is closed and there is some logic now to determine the page used for the thumbnail (which is a clear improvement), it does not solve the actual problem that we have in our company. Using different templates for different purposes for Writer and Calc, we need an easy way to identify the respective templates. And the thumbnail pictures are providing that. But only because we modify the template archives and exchange the thumbnail picture in the ox files - each time we edit a template. This has been triggered by the bug, where we didn't have a deterministic thumbnail picture. Now, where we enjoy the de-luxe version, nobody wants to go back. It would be great to have that integrated in LO. There should be an option to set the thumbnail picture with an external picture once. This should then be used automatically again, when the template is modified. Of course, unless the thumbnail picture is explicitly changed again. A nice spot for this option would be the save-as dialogue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Rafael Lima changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||0317 --- Comment #2 from Rafael Lima --- A similar request for Calc was made in bug 150317. It was fixed by Andreas for 25.8. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[email protected] --- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote --- Reasonable, +1 Seems like adding a UI for choosing the page to use as preview for current document could be added to sfxpicklist and the GetPreviewBitmap() from the object shells. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||61914 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61914 [Bug 61914] [META] Start Center bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 166175] Need mechanism for indicating which page of a document to use for a thumbnail
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166175 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||[email protected] Keywords||needsUXEval -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
