Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Giuseppe Molica
Daniel Pocock writes: > > There is some possibility that Donald Trump will eliminate copyright law > if he accidentally starts a nuclear war and eliminates everything else too > > > Well, in that case we'll some bigger problem :-P I hope in Americans, or, at least, I hope that stupid people are

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 06/06/16 08:51, Giuseppe Molica wrote: > Daniel Pocock writes: > >> From a practical perspective, thought, I suspect that an outcome >> combining all the things in that sentence is extremely unlikely any time >> soon and so using copyright law to serve a useful purpose is the way to >> go fo

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Giuseppe Molica
Daniel Pocock writes: > From a practical perspective, thought, I suspect that an outcome > combining all the things in that sentence is extremely unlikely any time > soon and so using copyright law to serve a useful purpose is the way to > go for many people > > I agree. Maybe in the future ther

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 20:46, Aaron Wolf wrote: > On 06/05/2016 11:23 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> If copyright law didn't exist, then developers would not be able to use >> the GPL to place copyleft conditions on derivative works >> > > (preface: I acknowledge this wording as slightly snarky) > > Repea

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] a free income for software developers?

2016-06-05 Thread Dave Rolek
On 06/05/2016 12:34 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Switzerland has just had a referendum on giving all citizens a free > basic income of about CHF 2,500 per month (equivalent to USD 2,500 per > month) > > Should countries consider a similar scheme, but exclusively for software > developers who create t

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You're welcome! It's important to note that most licenses don't impose limitations on how much can be charged for the source, and this allows for exploitation under the excuse that "it's free software (or "the source code is available"), so we can add a profit margin of 200% just because of that a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 04:22 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: At least under section 6 of the GNU GPL, there are limits on how much one can charge for the work. If the object is offered in physical medium, the profit margin can only be imposed upon that, not in the costs of conveying the complete and co

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
At least under section 6 of the GNU GPL, there are limits on how much one can charge for the work. If the object is offered in physical medium, the profit margin can only be imposed upon that, not in the costs of conveying the complete and corresponding source. There are cases where such conveying

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 20:23:05 CEST Daniel Pocock ha scritto: > > > On 05/06/16 19:46, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 17:16:29 CEST > > Daniel Pocock ha scritto: > > > >> [...] > > > >>> We need a GPL compatible license that acknowledges the problems of >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 06/05/2016 11:23 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > If copyright law didn't exist, then developers would not be able to use > the GPL to place copyleft conditions on derivative works > (preface: I acknowledge this wording as slightly snarky) Repeat after me: "We can abolish copyright law if we jus

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 20:27, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > On 05/06/16 19:23, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> On 05/06/16 19:46, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: >>> Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 17:16:29 CEST >>> Daniel Pocock ha scritto: [...] >>> > We need a GPL compatible license that acknowledges the problems of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] a free income for software developers?

2016-06-05 Thread Sergei Akhmatdinov
> Switzerland has just had a referendum on giving all citizens a free > basic income of about CHF 2,500 per month (equivalent to USD 2,500 per > month) > > Should countries consider a similar scheme, but exclusively for > software developers who create things at their own discretion under a > fre

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Pen-Yuan Hsing
On 05/06/16 19:23, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 05/06/16 19:46, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 17:16:29 CEST Daniel Pocock ha scritto: [...] We need a GPL compatible license that acknowledges the problems of globalization. Or maybe we need to think about how copyright

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 19:46, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 17:16:29 CEST > Daniel Pocock ha scritto: > >> [...] > >>> We need a GPL compatible license that acknowledges the problems of >>> globalization. >>> >> >> Or maybe we need to think about how copyright and intellectual

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Il giorno domenica 05/06/2016 17:16:29 CEST Daniel Pocock ha scritto: > [...] > > We need a GPL compatible license that acknowledges the problems of > > globalization. > > > > Or maybe we need to think about how copyright and intellectual property > law should work at a global scale, regardles

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 01:04 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: You don't have to write software for free. You don't even need to redistribute it publicly, that is, you can redistribute to people who pay you to do so. But once you do redistribute it (publicly or not) remember to comply with the GPL, and re

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 12:56 PM, Felix Posselt wrote: But aren't we ourself the ones who transport software out of control? We providing the source code of our softeare, accessible for everyone. There is none to be sued. *Von:* Pat

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You don't have to write software for free. You don't even need to redistribute it publicly, that is, you can redistribute to people who pay you to do so. But once you do redistribute it (publicly or not) remember to comply with the GPL, and remember not to redistribute the source for a price bigger

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Felix Posselt
But aren't we ourself the ones who transport software out of control? We providing the source code of our softeare, accessible for everyone.There is none to be sued. Von: Patrick An: Fabio Pesari ; libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Gesendet: 18:11 Sonntag, 5.Juni 2016 Betreff: Re: [l

[libreplanet-discuss] Sign the petition for Intel to release an ME-less CPU design

2016-06-05 Thread Ali Razeen
Hello folks, The people over at puri.sm (https://puri.sm) have created a petition to ask Intel to release an ME-less version of their CPU. You can sign the petition here: https://puri.sm/posts/petition-for-intel-to-release-an-me-less-cpu-design/ and I have included the full text of the petitio

[libreplanet-discuss] a free income for software developers?

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
Switzerland has just had a referendum on giving all citizens a free basic income of about CHF 2,500 per month (equivalent to USD 2,500 per month) Should countries consider a similar scheme, but exclusively for software developers who create things at their own discretion under a free license for

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Aaron Wolf
One last point: the international scope of the GPL is more about getting individual citizens in China and India and elsewhere to have the benefits (and privacy in many cases!) to use free software like GNU, Tor, etc. and blocking distribution to those countries to stop exploitive companies and gove

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Aaron Wolf
Hi Patrick, This is definitely nothing like a religion. It is a plain fact that we have lots of history of organizations around the world coming into compliance without a lawsuit. Now, if they *knew* that a lawsuit was impossible, that may have been different. I'm not denying that law matters. but

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 11:55 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: Patrick, I see your point, but then I have this question: if those companies don't care about the terms of the GPL, why would they care if they are banned from using the software altogether? They would use it anyway. If you couldn't bring them to court

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 12:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 05/06/16 17:46, Patrick wrote: On 06/05/2016 11:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 05/06/16 16:57, Patrick wrote: Hi Everyone This is a horrible post and will probably trigger some very negative reactions. I am trying to help and I am being honest

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 11:55 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: Patrick, I see your point, but then I have this question: if those companies don't care about the terms of the GPL, why would they care if they are banned from using the software altogether? They would use it anyway. If you couldn't bring them to court

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 17:46, Patrick wrote: > On 06/05/2016 11:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> On 05/06/16 16:57, Patrick wrote: >>> Hi Everyone >>> >>> This is a horrible post and will probably trigger some very negative >>> reactions. I am trying to help and I am being honest so please don't get >>> to

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Fabio Pesari
Patrick, I see your point, but then I have this question: if those companies don't care about the terms of the GPL, why would they care if they are banned from using the software altogether? They would use it anyway. If you couldn't bring them to court for violating the GPL, what makes you think yo

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 11:37 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote: On 06/05/2016 08:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: More likely, it will be about suing violators who are somehow successful and taking a share in their profits and recycling that money to sue other big violators. No, GPL enforcement efforts (coming from the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 17:39, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > Free software activists shouldn't sue people right from the start, > they should instead enforce it through collaboration, first by > private communication with the violator, then after series of > negligencies done by the violators, the original

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 17:37, Aaron Wolf wrote: > On 06/05/2016 08:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> More likely, it will be about suing violators who are somehow successful >> and taking a share in their profits and recycling that money to sue >> other big violators. >> > > No, GPL enforcement efforts (co

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
On 06/05/2016 11:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 05/06/16 16:57, Patrick wrote: Hi Everyone This is a horrible post and will probably trigger some very negative reactions. I am trying to help and I am being honest so please don't get too angry at me. I've tinkered with the BSD world and I real

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Replying to myself just to give you all an important notice: I'm not a lawyer, nor do I work at the Software Freedom Conservancy. I'm only expressing my *current* opinions. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Free software activists shouldn't sue people right from the start, they should instead enforce it through collaboration, first by private communication with the violator, then after series of negligencies done by the violators, the original project can express their disappointment publicly, then wa

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 06/05/2016 08:16 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > More likely, it will be about suing violators who are somehow successful > and taking a share in their profits and recycling that money to sue > other big violators. > No, GPL enforcement efforts (coming from the software freedom side at least) ar

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/06/16 16:57, Patrick wrote: > Hi Everyone > > This is a horrible post and will probably trigger some very negative > reactions. I am trying to help and I am being honest so please don't get > too angry at me. > > I've tinkered with the BSD world and I really believe GPL and the Free > Sof

[libreplanet-discuss] suggestion/help. GPL enforcement.

2016-06-05 Thread Patrick
Hi Everyone This is a horrible post and will probably trigger some very negative reactions. I am trying to help and I am being honest so please don't get too angry at me. I've tinkered with the BSD world and I really believe GPL and the Free Software foundation are the way to go. I have frus

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] What the free software community needs more than programs...

2016-06-05 Thread Paul Brown
On Sunday, 5 June 2016 09:04:59 CEST Fabio Pesari wrote: > http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/05/28/free-software-artists-and-their-tools-part-> > i-david-revoy-krita/ > > http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/05/31/free-software-artists-and-their-tools-part-> > ii-evelyne-schulz-gimp/ > > ...is professionals fro

[libreplanet-discuss] What the free software community needs more than programs...

2016-06-05 Thread Fabio Pesari
http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/05/28/free-software-artists-and-their-tools-part-i-david-revoy-krita/ http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/05/31/free-software-artists-and-their-tools-part-ii-evelyne-schulz-gimp/ ...is professionals from various fields (especially outside programming) sharing their positive expe