Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 10:44 PM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic >> wrote: >> >> On 26.08.2016 05 [1]:22, Christopher Waid wrote: >>> The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/softw

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 06:22, John Sullivan wrote > What this *should* be is a discussion among people on the same side to > refine text and messaging such that it is accurate, approachable, and > effective. Please make it that. I believe your or other FSF staff member's comments on the points raised here

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 10:44 PM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05 [1]:22, Christopher Waid wrote: The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! It is. All owners of this hardware have

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread John Sullivan
John Sullivan writes: > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > >> Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. >> > > This stops now on this list. (By "this list", I mean libreplanet-discuss.) -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: A462 6CBA

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 10:22 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05:16, Christopher Waid wrote: On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread John Sullivan
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. > This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting to brainwash anyone, and we won't tolerate accusations of bad faith here. What this *should* be is a discussion among people

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 10:19 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 04:03, André Silva wrote: Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed [0] to fix misleading information there too. [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-wit

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 10:03 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 02:18, Christopher Waid wrote: On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've actually contributed somethin

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
tiberiu: please cease and desist from emailing me. you are not authorised to use my email address.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: > > The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not > > that everything has been released yet. > > Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! > > And need I remind

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: > The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not > that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! And need I remind you that outside your organization there is an organization/user of an EOMA68

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 05:16, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >>> On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the iss

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 07:11 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 01:33, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 04:03, André Silva wrote: > Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed > [0] to fix misleading information there too. > > [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ That's a good thing. Oh,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 06:33 PM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > > > > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, c

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 02:18, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: >>> I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've >>> actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to >>>

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Daniel Pimentel
I bought my Libre Tea. I wait for Laptop House with 11' screen :) Help guys this great project! Thanks, -- Daniel Pimentel (aka d4n1)

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread André Silva
Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed [0] to fix misleading information there too. [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ On 08/25/2016 08:18 PM, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to undermine those working on solving these problems. For s

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 01:33, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : >> On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >>> >>> On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it'

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Paul Kocialkowski
Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : > On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > > > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > > > > > > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even > > > the issue regarding th

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: >> This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even >> the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be >> easily solved by changing terms/words acco

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
On 2016-08-25 05:01 AM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Hi, Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 04:42 -0400, Christopher Waid a écrit : The laptops we sell currently @ ThinkPenguin are not RYF'd and shouldn't be RYF'd, but we are working on something better than LibreBoot in that it solves the free software prob

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Christopher Waid
I'm going to reiterate that it is not my position that the wording 'free software friendly' is perfect. Changing this to compatible with free software operating systems may work. It may not. It may depend on the context. It may be challenging to integrate. The laptops we sell currently @ Think

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even > the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be > easily solved by changing terms/words accordingly there. There's no need > to make everyone mad at

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be easily solved by changing terms/words accordingly there. There's no need to make everyone mad at each other. For example, we can publish updates on these p

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: > I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've > actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to > undermine those working on solving these problems. For some of us it > isn't about financial gain. We actually

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Paul Kocialkowski
Hi, Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 04:42 -0400, Christopher Waid a écrit : > The laptops we sell currently @ ThinkPenguin are not RYF'd and shouldn't  > be RYF'd, but we are working on something better than LibreBoot in that  > it solves the free software problems in a more permanent long term way:  > EO

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] [Trisquel-users] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-25 Thread Paul Kocialkowski
Le mercredi 24 août 2016 à 08:56 -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira a écrit : > I might be wrong in the case of hardware designs, but as far as I know, > a copyright proprietor/owner/holder or a redistributor can choose not to > publish the hardware design on the Internet and still be considered > free/