Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Eric Schultz
Tiberiu-Cezar, This isn't really my topic but you've made your point (repeatedly). Respectfully, please don't fill my inbox to say the same thing over and over when people disagree and when numerous people have asked you to stop and to drop them from discussions. Eric On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
(I forgot to reply to all lists… Sorry.) It seems the problem is the meaning of “libre” in terms of unreleased hardware/software. EOMA68 certainly is aligned with libre culture and significant for freedom because of its modularity standard. It also is GPL-compliant like any unreleased product, but

[libreplanet-discuss] Linux Foundation Organizes LinuxCon 2016, Forgets to Use Linux Meme

2016-08-26 Thread Logan Streondj
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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 23:03, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > I have to disagree here. Comparing this to GPL violation is outrageous. You might be right and the parallelism I made is too extrapolated. Thanks for noting that. Tiberiu

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
Ali, thanks for your arguments. Schematics don't make a hardware free-design hardware, as PaulK has stated and as Richard's essay explains. It's the PCB design sources. Schematics are usually PDF files. I doubt any of the people who now hold the EOMA68-A20 computer boards would disobey the project

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:26:42PM +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 26.08.2016 21:48, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > > and *not a problem* if all available sources > > will eventually be released. > > Well, if it's not true that said hardware is libre hardware now (or > since "the v

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 22:47, Eric Schultz wrote: > This isn't really my topic but you've made your point (repeatedly). > Respectfully, please don't fill my inbox to say the same thing over and > over when people disagree and when numerous people have asked you to > stop and to drop them from discussions.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 19:05, Josh Branning wrote: > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic > > Maybe they /do/ intend to release the CAD files when they say they will. > In which case, has it occurred to you that the kind of things you are > saying: > > A) May look a bit silly once (and if) they're released. They have

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Ali Razeen
Hi all, I’m not even sure that it’s imprecise to say that it is “free from the very beginning.” However, since my reasoning may be wrong, let me write it below and you folk can point out my mistakes. To quote Christopher: “Everybody who has the devices has the schematics and rights thereof.” S

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Cross posting FSF announcements to libreplanet-discuss

2016-08-26 Thread Adri S.
Actually, forwarding yourself is better than cross-posting by fsf IMHO. Forwarding allows everyone to start a conversation thread with a line of thinking. Cross-posting would be having only one thread with multiple lines of thinking all tangled up (something that will happen anyways, ok). On Fri,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 21:48, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > It seems the problem is the meaning of “libre” in terms of unreleased > hardware/software. EOMA68 certainly is aligned with libre culture and > significant for freedom because of its modularity standard. It also is > GPL-compliant like any un

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Cross posting FSF announcements to libreplanet-discuss

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:45:59 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > So I'd like to suggest that the FSF cross-post their announcements to > libreplanet-discuss. There's not a lot of them, so it wouldn't be a > mess. And it would give us all a place to discuss announcements, as > well as give the FS

[libreplanet-discuss] EOMA68 Reached it's Funding Goal! w00t w00t!

2016-08-26 Thread Logan Streondj
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hey libre lovers, great news! EOMA68 has reached its funding target :-D. It's time to laugh, dance, jump and be merry. Just remember to keep the money for only project purposes. Can meditate on the beauty of this moment, where an RYF libre hardwar

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 19:27, Ali Razeen wrote: > I follow your argument but to make sure we’re on the same page, let me try to > rephrase it in my own words so that you can agree or disagree. I believe you > claim that we cannot say that the EOMA68 is “libre hardware from the > beginning” because we hav

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Ali Razeen
(Removed John Sullivan from the CC list because I’m sure he gets this email via libreplanet-discuss and doesn’t need (want?) me to address him directly :)) I follow your argument but to make sure we’re on the same page, let me try to rephrase it in my own words so that you can agree or disagree.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
Thank you, Ali. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my call and share your opinion on the libreplanet-discuss mailing list. On 26.08.2016 16:28, Ali Razeen wrote: > If this is true in the libre hardware world, I follow your logic, but I'm not sure there is an exact analogy libre sof

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
My first attempt was to discuss and suggest better wordings for both older and upcoming publications. I didn't intend to make accusations and such. This is why I sent several messages here suggesting both "parties" of the discussion to simply analise the issue and, if needed, correct not only the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Ali Razeen
Hi Tiberiu-Cezar, I am only a libre software/hardware user and a backer of EOMA. > On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > On 26.08.2016 12:46, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: >> Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : >>> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
On 26.08.2016 12:46, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : >> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: >> Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. >> >> This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting >> to brain

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

2016-08-26 Thread Paul Kocialkowski
Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. > > This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting > to brainwash anyone, and we won't tolerate accusations of ba

[libreplanet-discuss] Cross posting FSF announcements to libreplanet-discuss

2016-08-26 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Sometimes the FSF announces something, and I have a comment or question, but there's no clear channel for facilitating discussion on announcements. So I'd like to suggest that the FSF cross-post their announcements to libreplanet-discuss. There's no