Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Promote NoPhone

2019-09-15 Thread quiliro
On Sun, September 15, 2019 9:48 pm, Caleb Herbert wrote: > I forgot to mention my proposed strategies for living without a device. > > - Contacts notepad > - Pen > - Light > - Calculator > - Watch > - Map > - Music player > - Flash drive > - Camera I like your idea. I do not usually carry

[libreplanet-discuss] Is Spacemacs libre software?

2019-09-15 Thread quiliro
I participate in the Free Software Directory https://directory.fsf.org every Friday at 16h00 UTC. I am trying to diagnose if Spacemacs is an adequate candidate for inclusion in the directory. I have read a lot of the files and licenses on https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs . Spacemacs is appare

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Promote NoPhone

2019-09-15 Thread Caleb Herbert
I forgot to mention my proposed strategies for living without a device. - Contacts notepad - Pen - Light - Calculator - Watch - Map - Music player - Flash drive - Camera All of these things can be found in miniature versions that will all fit in the pocket or on a keychain. You may be a

[libreplanet-discuss] Taking credit for your own choices and free software is neither anti-commercial nor anti-profit

2019-09-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Steven Sullam wrote: WTF? I became interested in the libre group as a more human alternative to commercial profit driven technology. I am not interesed in reading discussions of Richard Stallman's personal life or the lack of ethics in his personal behavior here. Then you should probably have

[libreplanet-discuss] Promote NoPhone

2019-09-15 Thread Caleb Herbert
Most people cannot access or afford decent Replicant devices. It is impractical to suggest people use them. F-Droid is not the answer. It is a last resort for device addicts to gain partial freedom. We should primarily suggest people to not have mobile devices and to donate to Replicant. We sh

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] No, Stallman isn't "nuts" nor does he deserve less freedom of speech

2019-09-15 Thread Steven Sullam
WTF? I became interested in the libre group as a more human alternative to commercial profit driven technology. I am not interesed in reading discussions of Richard Stallman's personal life or the lack of ethics in his personal behavior here. On 9/15/19 8:53 PM, J.B. Nicholson wrote: Adrienne

[libreplanet-discuss] No, Stallman isn't "nuts" nor does he deserve less freedom of speech

2019-09-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Adrienne G. Thompson wrote: The record on Richard Stallman underscores that he is driven by ethical sensibilities. He's not about to approve of rape anytime soon. So let's just tell rms to shut up about the Epstein matter, not to attempt to defend his idols (some of which I, *personally*, know

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Mark Phelan
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:36 PM MARY-ANNE WOLF wrote: > > https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing > as the meme almost goes, i'm a simple man, i see vice.com, i don't click? "..Gavin Miles McInnes ..co-foun

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Adrienne G. Thompson
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 3:45 PM Thomas Lord wrote: > I wanted to express my strong agreement with this, from Adrienne G. > Thompson, part very strongly: > > "The fact that a young woman might have presented herself as "willing" > does not absolve the alleged offender of rape if he knew - or in th

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit
On 15/09/2019 21:37, Betsy Garrett wrote: I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion has run its course. Betsy, I was thinking exactly the same thing but it's unlikely I'll return. Andrew -- OpenPGP key: EB28 0338 28B7 19DA DAB0 B193 D21D 996E 883B E5B9 ___

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread TechLibre
*covers ears starts yelling lalala while world burns -- Freesoftware is Agorism for people who are good at computer. On September 15, 2019 3:37:23 PM GMT-05:00, Betsy Garrett wrote: >I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion >has >run its course. > >On Sun, Sep 15, 2

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Thomas Lord
I wanted to express my strong agreement with this, from Adrienne G. Thompson, part very strongly: > "The fact that a young woman might have presented herself as "willing" does > not absolve the alleged offender of rape if he knew - or in the case of > someone of Minsky's stature where it would b

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
Just put a filter in your mail client to move emails in this subject line to /dev/null :P On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:37:23 -0400 Betsy Garrett wrote: > I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion > has run its course. > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre > wrote

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
I wish stupid threads like this one didn't spam my inbox so much. Stallman's stances have been documented on his blog for years. Get over it. -- Leah Rowe Company Director & Libreboot developer https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ Do you know you have rights? The right to privacy, fr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Betsy Garrett
I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion has run its course. On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre wrote: > My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent and > neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's help. > > T

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Adrienne G. Thompson
Typo: > ... not to attempt to defend his idols (some of *whom *I, *personally*, > know are not worth defending) and to get a female FSF colleague to censor > all his comments pertaining to women before these comments go public. > - Yes, I tend do regard men who are not worth defending as "things

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Thomas Lord
Mary-Anne Wolf, You linked to an article that includes the full text of the email threads. I will quote Richard Stallman from his email to the CSAIL list: "We know that Guiffre was being coerced into sex -- by Epstein. She was being harmed. But the details do affect whether, and to what exte

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread TechLibre
My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent and neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's help. The consent issue and very poor to criminal parenting are intertwined. In a society where Billy Ray helps Hanna Montana become Miley, I guess we ha

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Adrienne G. Thompson
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:38 PM Thomas Lord wrote: > Remarkably, in order to make their allegations against Stallman, both > Selam G. and Edward Ongweso Jr. must speak untruthfully about what > Stallman wrote. > Contrary to Stallman's comment that "the word 'assaulting' presumes that he applied

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Federico klez Culloca
Il 15 settembre 2019 21:40:03 CEST, MARY-ANNE WOLF ha scritto: >Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being >claimed here. A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below the >age of giving sexual consent "presents herself as being willing" to >Epstein, an adult man age

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread MARY-ANNE WOLF
Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being claimed here. A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below the age of giving sexual consent "presents herself as being willing" to Epstein, an adult man aged over 21. This happens with multiple underage girls on more than

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread TechLibre
I live in Peru, and nobody is out in the Shipibo villages arresting 18 year old polygamous fathers with 14-16 year old wives. Let's give them a laptop so Mary Anne can use her offense to send the troops in. Maybe then those barbarians will learn to never question the parenting skills of people

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Michael Downey
I have not read the commentary articles, nor do I intend to. I have, on the other hand, read the comments by the FSF President and Board member on the mailing list in question. They are entirely inappropriate comments for someone in his public position to be making. I spend my day job trying to

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread C . Cossé
Changing one little word changes a lot. In the original post (your 2nd link) the author blatantly changes the wording to: …and then he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”. From RMS's words: We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread Thomas Lord
Remarkably, in order to make their allegations against Stallman, both Selam G. and Edward Ongweso Jr. must speak untruthfully about what Stallman wrote. Selam G., for example, writes: "…and then [Stallman] says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be "entirely willing"." Yet, what Stallman a

[libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-15 Thread MARY-ANNE WOLF
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 I have been a financial supporter of FSF since... 2011 at least. I first used emacs in... the 1980