Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-29 Thread Paul M
On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 12:19 -0800, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > > > Practice Rapaport's Rules here and everywhere: > > > > “First, you must attempt to re-express your opponent’s position so > > clearly, vividly, and fairly that your opponent says, ‘Thanks, I wish > > I’d thought of putting it that way.’

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL (Daniel Pocock)

2016-02-28 Thread Fabio Pesari
On 02/27/2016 08:23 PM, Harsh Gupta wrote: > > As a current student in India, I feel this point is very valid. > We have a clean slate out here, not only in terms of opinions of > developers but also in terms of users and bureaucracy. Our > bureaucracy is willing of listen to the voices of the peop

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-28 Thread Yui Hirasawa
> I know I've suggested this before and then failed to act on it (for > lack of time) but I think it would be good to enumerate/categorize > each of these common fallacious critiques of the GPL on the > libreplanet wiki, one per page, so they can be easily responded to, > and our best responses can

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-28 Thread Jim Procter
Hi. Thanks to Fabio for initiating this thread. On 27/02/2016 22:46, Michael Lamb wrote: > I apologize that I turned this into a disorganized ramble. +1 for the disorganized ramble. In particular, I also have mixed feelings about @nayafia's polemic. It would be good to see a reasoned analysis f

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Michael Lamb
(Sorry for the duplicate message Fabio, re-posting to the list.) I've experienced similar frustration talking with people about the GPL. The most frustrating responses are when I talk with GPL-haters who I know and respect as developers, who are otherwise nice and care for others, and whose other

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL (Daniel Pocock)

2016-02-27 Thread Harsh Gupta
> There are hundreds of thousands of young developers around the world > today, especially in places like India and China, who are still forming > their own opinions about what is right and wrong. As a current student in India, I feel this point is very valid. We have a clean slate out here, not o

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 12:40 PM, Yui Hirasawa wrote: >> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and >> "viral". > > Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should > be allowed to kill. It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too fin

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Yui Hirasawa
> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and > "viral". Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be allowed to kill. >>> >>> It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too find the GPL >>> restricts some freedom, but understan

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 12:16 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > On 02/27/2016 12:09 PM, Yui Hirasawa wrote: > Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and > "viral". Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be allowed to kill. >>> >>> It's very unfort

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/02/16 20:43, klez wrote: > > > Il 27 febbraio 2016 19:09:41 CET, Yui Hirasawa ha scritto: >>> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and >> "viral". >> >> Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be >> allowed to kill. > > It's very unfortu

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 12:09 PM, Yui Hirasawa wrote: Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and "viral". >>> >>> Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should >>> be allowed to kill. >> >> It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too find the GPL >> r

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread aurelien
Yui Hirasawa writes: Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and "viral". >>> >>> Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should >>> be allowed to kill. >> >> It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too find the GPL >> restricts some freedom

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Yui Hirasawa
>>> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and >>> "viral". >> >> Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should >> be allowed to kill. > > It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too find the GPL > restricts some freedom, but understand the need for i

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread aurelien
klez writes: > Il 27 febbraio 2016 19:09:41 CET, Yui Hirasawa ha scritto: >>> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and >>"viral". >> >>Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be >>allowed to kill. > > It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread klez
Il 27 febbraio 2016 19:09:41 CET, Yui Hirasawa ha scritto: >> Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and >"viral". > >Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be >allowed to kill. It's very unfortunate you'd think this way. I too find the GPL restr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 10:48 AM, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: > El 27 de febrero de 2016 17:27:51 GMT+00:00, Aaron Wolf > escribió: >> On 02/27/2016 04:44 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: >>> Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL >> more >>> than they hate proprietary software, especia

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Andrés Muñiz Piniella
El 27 de febrero de 2016 17:27:51 GMT+00:00, Aaron Wolf escribió: >On 02/27/2016 04:44 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: >> Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL >more >> than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never >found >> an approach that works with th

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Blaise Alleyne
On 27/02/16 12:27 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > On 02/27/2016 04:44 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: >> Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL more >> than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never found >> an approach that works with those people. >> >> Mention "fr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 10:09 AM, Yui Hirasawa wrote: > Many people who think that are anarchist who also think they should be > allowed to kill. > I don't think Anarchists say that people should be allowed to kill. Unrelated to that, I think the vast majority of people who say GPL is "viral" and "restric

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Yui Hirasawa
> Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL more > than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never found > an approach that works with those people. I find BSD people to be the loudest about this. The "open source" people don't seem to give two shits as

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/27/2016 04:44 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: > Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL more > than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never found > an approach that works with those people. > > Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/02/16 13:44, Fabio Pesari wrote: > Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL more > than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never found > an approach that works with those people. > > Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" a

[libreplanet-discuss] Dealing with blind hatred for the GPL

2016-02-27 Thread Fabio Pesari
Many people (especially in the open source community) hate the GPL more than they hate proprietary software, especially the GPLv3. I never found an approach that works with those people. Mention "freedom" and they'll say the GPL is "restrictive" and "viral". Mention practical advantages and they'