Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Patrick Anderson
John Sullivan wrote: > I see how it's relevant to the concept of freedom, but this list is > specifically for discussions surrounding the LibrePlanet project -- the > Web site, the annual conference, and the network of groups. So let's > keep a narrower focus. > > There is also http://lists.gnu.org

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread John Sullivan
Patrick Anderson writes: > Ted Smith wrote: >> Yeah, I fail to see the relevance of this to an FSF activism list. > > This extends User Freedom into the physical realm, where Free > Software must always be hosted. > I see how it's relevant to the concept of freedom, but this list is specifically

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Mark Holmquist
This extends User Freedom into the physical realm, where Free Software must always be hosted. WellI'm not sure we can consider these two categories to be the same, sadly. Digital freedom has to do with the freedom to use your own tools, things you own, any way you'd like. This is the sam

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Patrick Anderson
Ziv Leyes wrote: > how are you thinking it will be possible to implement those > plans, ideas, etc. in our messy and corrupted society? In small groups that buy and co-own the Means of Production very much like any business or organization, but with the following Terms of Operation as self-enforce

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Patrick Anderson
Ted Smith wrote: > Yeah, I fail to see the relevance of this to an FSF activism list. This extends User Freedom into the physical realm, where Free Software must always be hosted. This is how we will also regain control of our communication networks, and so stop begging the ISPs and cell-phone pr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 15:48 -0400, Rudolf wrote: > Feels like this is outside the scope of libreplanet discuss, or at least > its a long term goal? I like the sounds of it though. Yeah, I fail to see the relevance of this to an FSF activism list. -- Sent from Ubuntu signature.asc Description:

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Rudolf
Feels like this is outside the scope of libreplanet discuss, or at least its a long term goal? I like the sounds of it though. On Jun 22, 2012 3:10 PM, "Patrick Anderson" wrote: > We must expand our sense of responsibility beyond our personal > skillset to include co-ownership in all the Means of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Ziv Leyes
I love your ideas, and I think it should be this way ever, since the very beginning, but something went wrong and we're now stuck in a system 99% of us don't really agree with but have to cope with it... My biggest question is how are you thinking it will be possible to implement those plans, ideas

[libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic

2012-06-22 Thread Patrick Anderson
We must expand our sense of responsibility beyond our personal skillset to include co-ownership in all the Means of Production required for all of our physical needs. We will buy land and tools and plants and animals and water rights to begin a Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic. We will