Re: License Question

2001-06-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 09:58 pm, Mitchell Baker wrote: > The Mozilla Public License allows one to charge for executable versions of > products built using MPL code. The source version of MPL code must > always be available free of charge under the MPL. But one is allowed > take that source cod

Re: License Question

2001-06-20 Thread Mitchell Baker
The Mozilla Public License allows one to charge for executable versions of products built using MPL code.  The source version of MPL code must always be available free of charge under the MPL.  But one is allowed take that source code, compile it and sell the executables.  this may be hard since

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
begin Greg Herlein quotation: > Brian indicated that the FSF did not copyright these templates so we > are free to derive from them. Any chance I can get an electronic copy, so I can put them up for public access? I recall, by the way, that Tripwire, Inc. is one of the other organisations requi

Re: License Question

2001-06-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 08:59 am, Stephane Routelous wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a newbie in License considerations. > > Does exists an OpenSource license which allow to be paid if the Sofware is > used in a commercial application ? > Thanks, No there isn't. But it may be possible to use an Open So

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 08:18 am, Greg Herlein wrote: > I thought these were considered unenforcable. Can you really > give up rights from a click? I know that contracts can legally > give up rights (even some promised uner the Constitution) but can > a click be a binding contractual agreemen

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Henningsen
>> . If you submit code to a >> project, you don't do it in expectation of future profits directly from the >> code. Likely unworkable and unenforcable. Currently that is the rule no doubt, but I think we could get open source code written faster and probably better if people could

Re: Lawyers

2001-06-20 Thread Ralf Schwoebel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone recommend any lawyers in the Northeast area that > specialize or > are aware of open source issues? Hi there, we initiated a discussion with the guys from Williams Mullen Clark and Dubbins in DC. They have written a bazillion software licenses, but our "co

Lawyers

2001-06-20 Thread TARuiz
Does anyone recommend any lawyers in the Northeast area that specialize or are aware of open source issues?

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
Brian Youmans, the FSF clerk handling assignements, was kind enough to send me all the templates. Other kind folks on the list did as well. Thanks to all of them. Brian indicated that the FSF did not copyright these templates so we are free to derive from them. With Rick's link to the FSF page

Re: license-mix, legal consequences?

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
begin John Cowan quotation: > The U.S. Copyright Act, at least (section 106), speaks of "prepar[ing] > derivative works based upon the copyrighted work" as one of the > exclusive rights of authors. So in theory at least you are not > allowed even to translate your copy of _Foundation and Empire

Re: license-mix, legal consequences?

2001-06-20 Thread John Cowan
Rick Moen wrote: > Strictly speaking, you're not barred from _making_ works with > incompatible licences; the derivative work would just not be lawfully > _distributable_, as so doing would violate the licensing terms of the > third-party borrowed work. The U.S. Copyright Act, at least (secti

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
> The problem (and the mechanics of dealing with copyright assignment) are > addressed, in some detail, in FSF's "Information for Maintainers of GNU > Software", http://www.fsf.org/prep/maintain_toc.html . 'Hope that helps! This is indeed quite useful. Sort of becoming a maintainer for a GNU

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
begin Greg Herlein quotation: > Yes, this is what I am leaning towards. From a practical > perspective, what is required to legally get the contributors to > assign copyright to me? How are other people/orgs doing this, > and are those methods going to hold up legally? The problem (and the mec

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
> Most of the effect, though can be gotten by licensing library L > under the GPL and then saying "Licenses for using this library in > non-GPL products are available from the author." > Of course, you must make sure that any contributors to L either assign > copyright to you (simplest), or else a

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread John Cowan
Greg Herlein wrote: > The goal, as I have defined it for my project, is that if you > want to use my libraries in your project and your project is open > source code - ie, the code is available for inspection and > derivation, and no commercial fees are charged for derivative > works - then I wa

Re: license-mix, legal consequences?

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
begin John Cowan quotation: > Suppose there are three original works: A under the GPL, B under the > MIT, C under the MPL. You may create a derivative work A+B and license > it under the GPL. You may not license A+B under the MIT, because > you are not allowed to create derivatives of A that a

RE: License Question

2001-06-20 Thread Dave J Woolley
> From: Stephane Routelous [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Does exists an OpenSource license which allow to be paid if the Sofware is > used in a commercial application ? [DJW:] Allow: yes. Require: I believe not. In addition, you may insist on payment before supplying the software, but you canno

RE: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Dave J Woolley
> From: Greg Herlein [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > The goal, as I have defined it for my project, is that if you > want to use my libraries in your project and your project is open > source code - ie, the code is available for inspection and > derivation, and no commercial fees are charged for der

License Question

2001-06-20 Thread Stephane Routelous
Hello, I'm a newbie in License considerations. Does exists an OpenSource license which allow to be paid if the Sofware is used in a commercial application ? Thanks, Stephane

RE: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
> > you are free, my code is free; if you are commercial, my code is > > commercial?" > [DJW:] I believe that this would violate the definition > of "open source" used on this mailing list, but the Kermit > licence might be an example of such a (non-open source) > licence.

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
> One project I was involved with was considering working some sort of one-time > "click to agree to the provisions of the license" into the CVS or patch manager. I thought these were considered unenforcable. Can you really give up rights from a click? I know that contracts can legally give up

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Ned Lilly
Greg Herlein wrote: > However, I'm very interested in the actual real-world > implementation of this. What kind of language do you use in the > copyright assignement agreement? Is there a template that cn be > copied by others? Do you require hard copy signed and > snail-mailed to consider it l

Re: license-mix, legal consequences?

2001-06-20 Thread John Cowan
Henningsen wrote: > My understanding is this: As the copyrightholder to my code, even if I > release it under the GPL, I am not bound by the terms of the GPL, and can > include code under a different license such as the MIT license. However, if > someone else uses my code under the terms of the G

Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Herlein
> I will only integrate contributor's code into my codebase if they hand over > copyright to alifegames.com (in exchange for a fair share of any profits > that may derive from commercial licenses to the code in the future), so I > will be able to release my own core code at any time under any lice

Re: license-mix, legal consequences?

2001-06-20 Thread Henningsen
I will only integrate contributor's code into my codebase if they hand over copyright to alifegames.com (in exchange for a fair share of any profits that may derive from commercial licenses to the code in the future), so I will be able to release my own core code at any time under any license I wi

Re: SUN Binary Code License

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
What Ms. Cooper has to say about Sun's open-source licensing is absolutely authoritative, since she spearheaded the entire process for Sun Microsystems. (Well done!) I just wanted to add that I slightly misread the text about OpenOffice on http://www.openoffice.org/license.html . I can see how