Purpose of this list

2001-11-14 Thread Adrian Cho
Is this list only for the purposes of approving new open source licenses or is it also a discussion problem for problems with existing approved licenses? I have what I think is an interesting problem with the LGPL if anybody cares to hear about it. Sorry if I have come to the wrong place. Adria

Re: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 14 November 2001 12:06 pm, Humphreys, Noel wrote: > Signatures are not always necessary for formation of contracts. Software > license arrangements fit comfortably within normal contract analysis > patterns, and courts treat them that way. It's a mistake to think courts > would not

Re: OSD #1 proposed change

2001-11-14 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 14 November 2001 10:11 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:58:54AM -0500, Forrest J. Cavalier III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Currently OSD #1 reads: > > The license shall not restrict any party from selling > > or giving away the software

Re: Wonka Public Licence

2001-11-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Chris Gray writes: > Dear all, > > I was disappointed to see that our licence > (URL:http://wonka.acunia.com/wonkapl.html) seems not to have made > it onto the agenda of last Wednesday's meeting. Since the WPL is > now really just revised-BSD with a polite request tacked onto the > end (w

Re: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Forrest J. Cavalier III writes: > 2. You may compile this into an executable form, or modify your > copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming > a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such > modifications or work under the terms of Section 1

RE: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Humphreys, Noel
>> > Okay. But my point was that the copyright holder can grant >> > portions of his rights under copyright without obtaining >> > the signature of the recipient(s), while usage rights require >> > a contract. > > >> Do you think the GPL creates a contract? >No, I don't. I think it is a mechanis

RE: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Samuel Reynolds
> -Original Message- > From: Forrest J Cavalier III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:52 AM > Subject: RE: OSD compliant shareware > > > > Okay. But my point was that the copyright holder can grant > > portions of his rights under copyright without obtain

RE: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Forrest J Cavalier III
> Okay. But my point was that the copyright holder can grant > portions of his rights under copyright without obtaining > the signature of the recipient(s), while usage rights require > a contract. > Do you think the GPL creates a contract? -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-

RE: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Samuel Reynolds
> -Original Message- > From: John Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: OSD compliant shareware > > > Samuel Reynolds wrote: > > > > In general, the right to *use* the work is implied by > > ownership of a copy of the work, and li

Re: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread John Cowan
Samuel Reynolds wrote: > In general, the right to *use* the work is implied by > ownership of a copy of the work, and limited to the > copy of the work that one owns. Right enough. > For example, paintings > (with a very few, contractually-obligated exceptions) > can be displayed publically o

RE: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-14 Thread Samuel Reynolds
> -Original Message- > From: Forrest J. Cavalier III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: OSD compliant shareware > [snip] > I am writing in the hopes that you could share >- insights into the creation of the OSD, (why it did not > exp

Re: Spirit of OSD - was[Fails OSD #1.]

2001-11-14 Thread Steve Mallett
> I would love to have a commentary piece for Linux.com and/or > NewsForge.com on how the spirit of the OSD may be different from its > practical application. > > Anyone up for this? Let's hear back from Bruce first, yuh guys? Roblimo, you _could_ end up with many commentary pieces here. All eq

Re: Spirit of OSD - was[Fails OSD #1.]

2001-11-14 Thread Robin (Roblimo) Miller
> Recognizing the weaknesses (and strengths) of speaking in symbolic terms. > Is there anything _else_ that you feel helps define the 'spirit' of the OSD? I would love to have a commentary piece for Linux.com and/or NewsForge.com on how the spirit of the OSD may be different from its pra

Spirit of OSD - was[Fails OSD #1.]

2001-11-14 Thread Steve Mallett
Bruce, [snip] > 1. The OSD is not written in statutory language. While its not 'statutory' do you still consider it the 'definition' of open-source? > It still makes a _wonderful_ manifesto, its success speaks for that. But to > apply it blindly would be foolhardy. I imagine that there is an

is R-Quant OSD compliant?

2001-11-14 Thread Ferdinando Ametrano
Hi all R-Quant is an application that claims to be open source. I doubt it is and I would like to have feedback from this list. Extracted from the R-Quant license agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html): > This software as well as its documentation or other related > materials can

Re: Fails OSD #1. [Re: OSD compliant shareware]

2001-11-14 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
* Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04 05:33]: > It's been pointed out that: > > 1. The OSD is not written in statutory language. > 2. That it says what you _can't_ do rather than what you can and thus makes >it easy to find loopholes, because there is an unbounded set of activities >

Re: Fails OSD #1. [Re: OSD compliant shareware]

2001-11-14 Thread John Cowan
Bruce Perens scripsit: > I haven't read the decision in MAI vs Peak, In brief: it said that a computer maintenance company (neither owner nor licensee) couldn't run proprietary OS software, already installed, for hardware testing purposes, because that involved making copies; the 117 safe harbor