Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Travers
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > On 03/01/2012 09:09 PM, Chris Travers wrote: >> >> You seem to say "do not link" and thus repeat more or less what the FSF >> says (and what Rosen spends a good time arguing against in his book, and he >> is by no means alone--- at least in any

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Bruce Perens
On 03/01/2012 09:09 PM, Chris Travers wrote: You seem to say "do not link" and thus repeat more or less what the FSF says (and what Rosen spends a good time arguing against in his book, and he is by no means alone--- at least in any law review articles I have been able to find and read the over

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Travers
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > On 03/01/2012 08:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote: >> >> I am not at all sure that line works once you get into trying to bridge >> GPL'd and proprietary apps > > Read > http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article.php/3801396/Bruce-Perens-Combining-GPL-an

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Bruce Perens
On 03/01/2012 08:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote: I am not at all sure that line works once you get into trying to bridge GPL'd and proprietary apps Read http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article.php/3801396/Bruce-Perens-Combining-GPL-and-Proprietary-Software.htm Does it matter how I do this? Very def

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Travers
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > On 03/01/2012 08:02 PM, Chris Travers wrote: > >> How do I know if this license applies? > > > Just assume it does, because you don't really have to decide this question > to be safe. I am not at all sure that line works once you get into tryi

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting John Cowan (co...@mercury.ccil.org): > Which is as much to say, the wise person will use proprietary software > to the full extent he can afford it, because there is no issue of > copyright licensure, there is indemnity de facto or ex contractu from > patent lawsuits, etc. etc. This is a

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Chris Travers (ch...@metatrontech.com): > Rick; > > I think you are missing one key point in your reply to me. I didn't miss that. > In short: Part of the point is to realize that the engineer's question > is "What do I have to do to stay safe? How do I know if this license > applies?

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Bruce Perens
On 03/01/2012 08:02 PM, Chris Travers wrote: How do I know if this license applies? Just assume it does, because you don't really have to decide this question to be safe. <> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ License-discus

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Travers
Rick; I think you are missing one key point in your reply to me. In short: Part of the point is to realize that the engineer's question is "What do I have to do to stay safe? How do I know if this license applies?" Any answer you can give to the engineer's question will be both heavily overincl

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Bruce Perens
The fact that we have not resolved some questions doesn't mean that we don't have /any/ bright lines. I have previously published guidelines that would keep you far from any fuzzy issues, while allowing you to build whatever you wish. On 03/01/2012 07:42 PM, John Cowan wrote: Which is as much

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread John Cowan
Rick Moen scripsit: > Out in the real world, we have to deal with shades of grey and lack > of perfect knowledge, which is why a wise person will not spend huge > amounts of time pondering whether you can get away with particular > types of deployments without having created an unauthorised deriva

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-03-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Chris Travers (ch...@metatrontech.com): > Derrida's theories on text and meaning are entirely applicable to > legal agreements even if we pretend they aren't. I note without special objection that you pretty much ignored my point and moved the goalposts. No worries. I doubt you really e