Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/01/15 14:14, Engel Nyst wrote: > CLA stands for contributor *license* agreement. It's a non-exclusive > license, plus some stuff. A non-exclusive licensee doesn't have standing > for license enforcement. One needs to be copyright holder or exc

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread John Cowan
David Woolley scripsit: > It might be needed because it has become important to integrate the > work with work under and otherwise incompatible open source licence. > In the past, I think it has been necessary to remove contributions > from a minor contributor, to achieve this, because they were u

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Engel Nyst
On 01/20/2015 03:24 PM, Ben Tilly wrote: > A project using http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause has > marketing comparing it to Foo's project Bar. But no prior written > permission from Foo was obtained for this. If Foo looks at the > project, notices a bug, and submits a patch under the s

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread David Woolley
On 20/01/15 19:48, Engel Nyst wrote: Please do, though. It's worse to practically state that using an OSI approved license(s) doesn't seem to give the permissions necessary, within the bounds of the license, for anyone to combine one's project from different sources and distribute it. One of th

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread cowan
Ben Tilly scripsit: > A project using http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause has > marketing comparing it to Foo's project Bar. I don't know that that counts as "promoting or endorsing" (that would be using the expat XML parser and claiming that James Clark approves of your coftware), but I

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Ben Tilly
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, wrote: > Allison Randal scripsit: > >> If you want specific examples, I'd say GPL and Apache both work fine >> with inbound=outbound. GPL takes a position close to compelling >> inbound=outbound. Apache 2.0 was specifically designed with >> inbound=outbound in mi

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Allison Randal
On 01/20/2015 12:09 PM, co...@ccil.org wrote: > > What does DCO mean in this context? Developer Certificate of Origin, as used by the Linux Kernel. It's essentially a way of being more explicit about an inbound=outbound contribution policy, by having each developer "sign off" that they acknowledg

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread cowan
Allison Randal scripsit: > If you want specific examples, I'd say GPL and Apache both work fine > with inbound=outbound. GPL takes a position close to compelling > inbound=outbound. Apache 2.0 was specifically designed with > inbound=outbound in mind, you can see fingerprints of it all over the >

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Engel Nyst
On 01/20/2015 12:50 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > I wrote up an example of an open source license that has different > legal effects when used inbound and outbound, but I've deleted it to > avoid taking this thread down a rabbit hole. Please do, though. It's worse to practically state that using an

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Allison Randal
On 01/20/2015 10:46 AM, Engel Nyst wrote: > > That doesn't make any sense. How is the open source license not good? > How doesn't it give permissions set out in OSD? And WHY was it approved > if it doesn't comply? You're missing the point. The open source license is good, does give the permission

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Engel Nyst
On 01/18/2015 02:57 PM, Radcliffe, Mark wrote: > As Allison noted, most OSI approved licenses can be used for inbound > use, but we do not take a position on that issue in approving > licenses. [..] Thus, the approval of a license by OSI as meeting the > criteria of the OSD does not reflect a revie

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Allison Randal
On 01/18/2015 11:14 AM, Engel Nyst wrote: > The relevant aspect here, seems to me, is that OSI's criteria for open > source licenses *include* whether the *license used inbound* is giving > rights to anyone receiving the software, as set out in the OSD. > > Anyone includes the "project", a legal e

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread Engel Nyst
On 01/19/2015 08:04 PM, jonathon wrote: > Some organizations use the CLA so that when license violations are > found, if the violator refuses to correct the problem, pursuing > legal remedies is much easier. CLA stands for contributor *license* agreement. It's a non-exclusive license, plus some st