Hi all!
Angelo Schneider David Johnson:
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> > On Thursday 08 November 2001 08:05 am, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote:
> >
> > As long as this permission notice and disclaimer are included, any
> > person obtaining a copy of this software may distribute this
e as no relation at all to inheritance.
If you would write Office YP, the sequell to Office XP, you do not need
to inherite, reuse, copy whatsoever any code of Microsoft XP to get a
court suit VERY soon.
> Michael
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Regards,
Angelo
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it is a "derivative work".
>
Well, the posters here tried to show you that no one needs a permission
of the author to derive classes from his classes.
As no one needs permission of the author to call functins in a library
the author wrote.
Angelo
P.S. last psot for me, I answered
GPL where
void.
Circumventing the GPL by the way noted above or other ways, would shift
a burden onto the end user in getting the programs running or require a
sofisticated install procedure (how do you ensure that your program
written today, still is installable in 5 years if you do only deliever
ot; etc.
What "fair use" means is explicitly defined in copyright law.
"derived work", that is also a term defined in the law.
See below.
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> On Fri, 19 October 2001, Angelo Schneider wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
Rob.
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Angelo
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> Greg
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nce and so on is restricted by copy
right law and can be licensed or not, and thus its legal or not.
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> \x/ill :-}
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Angelo
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Hi all!
This a very good answer as it shows where the common missunderstanding
resides!
Please see below.
Michael Beck wrote:
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> > Von: Michael Beck[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > From: Angelo Schneider
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> > As I pointed out allready: linking to an API is not, I r
no derived work. NO, this is not my
opinion, that is legal fact.
Regards,
Angelo
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arts.
Hope that helps,
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nder US law, "in germany" your right is honoured. Is my
work under german copyright law copyrighted, my rights are honoured in
the US. Even because both rights differ substantial. Just get a book
with copyright law, the german one has 143 Paragraphs, most of them are
3 or 4 lines. In
ork".
Regarding the reimplementation of an API: this is surely also a "derived
work", however it might fall under "fair use".
In germany a project like gnu class path would IMHO not stand in court,
hundreds of classes mimicing the same API of the origininal classes
wit
code, but also like it to be available for the public
I publsih it under GPL. That one needs the less infrastructure from my
side
Just my thoughts so
Regards,
Angelo
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phil hunt wrote:
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> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Angelo Schneider wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > In Europe APIs are not "copyright able".
> > No idea about the US.
> >
> > However if you publich them in a book, the book of course is
> > copyrighted.
tc.? I
> > see both as expressions, not the idea themselves. I think the tougher
> > issue is infringement/derivative works (leave alone implied/express
> > licenses, estoppels, etc.). Just some thoughts
> >
> > >From: Rod Dixon
> > >To: Angelo Schneider
&
t for these
> categorical statements? Please cite some European case law, statutes,
> legal texts, etc. Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> >From: Angelo Schneider
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace prot
est J. Cavalier III, Mib Software Voice 570-992-8824
> http://www.rocketaware.com/ has over 30,000 links to
> source, libraries, functions, applications, and documentation.
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recipient(B) also pay a fee.
A is free to do what he like swith the software, he even can sell it for
a higher price. But the inventor has no force to get B to pay something
to him.
> require a registration fee and remain Open Source.
>
> Does this make more sense?
>
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Angel
in or true
open source". That doesn't serve anybody.
Regards,
Angelo Schneider
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> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Januar 2001 16:18:07
> > An: David Johnson; Angelo Schneider; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Betreff: Re: [Fwd: Germany]
> > Diese Nachricht wurde automatisch von einer Regel weitergeleitet.
> >
> - Original Message -
> From: "
is the only one who has the insight to evaluate his
development process and to tests/examine the final products.
This is a matter of humanity that a seller only delievers what does not
hurt the reciever.
Regards,
Angelo
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was at best a semi-deliberate
> > > > ploy, as they new that it was not full-scale commercial stuff.
> > >
> > > Probably won't work, because the commercial stuff is just the same.
> >
> > One legal statement that may work is to state the intended purpos
stomer B may NOT modify it.
OSI simply says: ALL CUSTOMERS ARE EQUAL.
If your license does not meet that criteria it is not OSI/open source.
Angelo
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hat get us
> Rick Moenin trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so."
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restrictions like: this code may never run on a
nuclear war head controller.
The GPL does nothing to prefent this.
Regards,
Angelo
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a line like that in your contract, you are out of business.
Regards,
Angelo
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Well,
I'm not a native english speaker,
first fault.
I learned british english in scholl,
second fault.
> On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Angelo Schneider wrote:
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> > To copy without the authorization of the creator, denies the freedom
> > of the creator.
>
> This is incoh
not possible to transfer a copyright.
QED.
Regards,
Angelo
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Regards,
Angelo
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edom of man.
Regards,
Angelo
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re, and
> > include other peoples GPL'ed software. But you must satisfy the terms of
> > the GPL (which you are not likely to find a problem).
>
> Note also that you can issue _any_number_of_licenses_ on software as long
> as you own its copyright. Want to put the same work
o derivation, or derived work:
Transforming some sheets of paper with facts on it into
a database is also a derived work, like transforming some source code
into some other source code.
Regards,
Angelo
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Angelo Schneider
; the idea that "you can't copyright facts" won't help someone who desires
> to report the fact that the text of Microsoft Word is... (well, that
> person is not myself).
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BTW:
if every author of this email would put a different license for using,
reprodusing,
quoting and distributing on his sentences (visible at the stage of ">"
in this mail)
how fast would a discussion like this stop?
Regards,
gram/code under GPL
because
he conforms/uses an API which was defined in/by code under the GPL.
Just some ideas/comments to some unprecisse statements I found in
several different threads/postings.
Regards,
Angelo
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ain: In (most of) Europe a contract/license is void if one of the
clauses
does not confirm to laws or court interpretation of laws.
This is radical different to U.S. treatment of contracts vs. law.
As far as I know a contract has higher binding than laws/courts in the
U.S.
Regars,
Angelo
my software to be used in
> countries where the laws are oriented at restricting my ability to
The U.S. does exactly and only that ...
Why should europe (or some country in particular) not do the same
in return?
> compete for market share.
>
[...]
> alex
Angelo
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able like
those which are build up from industry consortiums (e.g OMG, POSIX).
This does not mean that all consortium standards are well enough defined
:-)
The market has no vision "where to go to morrow", industy has or should
have,
at least.
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> alex
Angelo
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Ok,
now we come to a point, please read below.
Angelo
Arandir wrote:
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> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Angelo Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > If people have to pay per copy, then the program is not free software,
> > > and it is also not open source software.
> >
the litterature on libre development... your scheme is just to
> complex ... and too constraining ...
>
> But since you object to free (gratis) contributions, I suggest you be
> consistent and buy solaris or SCO.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 10:15:40PM +0100, Angelo Sc
u can get the source without additional charge.
You can even give away that source, it depend wat the new recipient
does with it.
Angelo
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re that the victory writes the history.
W II was started from the german side merly because of economic reasons.
Fachism was only needed to GUIDE the people.
Angelo
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not?
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Angelo
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better than doing
> no good at all.
You forgott one thing: some percentage of the guys on theese lists are
europeans: a great majority of us did their civilian service for 15/18
or 24
month.
Paying/contributing to society is something everybody does in our world
...
Regards,
Angelo
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e make their living and get welthy by
shrinkwrapping it.
If you, as a kernel contributor, like that: ok.
Regards,
Angelo
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ave not the finacial background to work years for free an than giving
away my software for free.
This is even true if I save some years by using GNU stuff.
> No offence to GNU or RMS.
Regards,
Angelo
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ing admired for good programming.
>
> Thus, even if we look only at people whose principal motivation is
> desire for admiration, their other beliefs, convictions, and so on
> will affect what they do to seek it. Our values about life affect our
> actions. Talking about values with oth
common one used in this list out
to me?
Best Regards,
Angelo
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many self called "anarchists" in history tried to change
the world with power, force or terror.
But Eric claimed to be an "libertarian".
Well, I had the impression the modern sense of a "libertian"
is a well known american one, so I do not need to go into that
ld quibble with your example. As far as I know, under copyright
> > there is no quantitative limitation on the use of facts from works of
> > authorship.
>
> Your quibble is perfectly valid if measurements == facts.
>
> alex
Best Regards,
Angelo
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. The user however, if he circumvents that
(browser vs. WWW server), can't be reliable for the fact that a GPLed or
how-ever-licensed piece of code is involved. ))
Regards,
Angelo
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ou can circumvent
the
static linking etc. by wrapping GNU stuff into RMI/CORBA/DCOM wrappers.
The derived work is than clearly the server side RMI/CORBA/DCOM
module which is linked to the GNU stuff.
So you have to apply the appropriated license to that derived work.
However, IMHO, a cleint is a i
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