em?
I intend to vote for appproval of both. You did an excellent job both on the
base versions and on incorporating revisions.
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ense open source? Should the OSD prevent me from getting
> OSI certification for KA because I included a click-wrap requirement in
> my license?
This scenario argues for permitting click-to-use but not click-to-redistribute.
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Apache, and the choice-of-jurisdiction used by X.com .
That would be three licenses, I think.
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A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men
purchases its own spiritual death on an installment plan.
Ross N. Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> How about an ant?
No good. AbiWord got there first :-).
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The difference between death and taxes is death doesn't get worse
every time Congress meets
-- Will Rogers
Please review this license from AT&T.
http://www.research.att.com/sw/license/ast-open.html
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The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the
government off the backs of the people.
-- Justice William O. Douglas
Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:24 -0400
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I was unable to find the earlier part of the discussion, but I reca
g anyway.
Richard, you're unable to find that because I didn't say it ;-). Which
rather puts paid to the rest of your argument.
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...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people
against whom gun bans
for input. We don't have the time or energy to handle
multiple discussions on multiple, needlessly-separated lists.
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Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of
authority. It is hardly too strong to say t
it
was attached approvingly to one of the alternate explanations you
claim I'm denying...
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[The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand
and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces
the Noosphere, my second paper.
(I didn't make these up, BTW. They're in fairly common use.)
LODR = "Law of Diminishing Returns"
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Rapists just *love* unarmed women. And the politicians who disarm them.
of motivations people can have, we can understand them a lot more.
That could be the epigraph for HtN.
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Love your country, but never trust its government.
-- Robert A. Heinlein.
rdingly,
one may assert that the bazaar mode repeals Brooks's Law without making
any commitment about the applicability of the LODR in general.
Did you just ignore this? I see no integration of it anywhere in your e
ust* have regard for
what others think, by definition. You're confused.
Only *stupid* selfishness ignores the desires and feelings of others.
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog
m had sent me mail
objecting to my activism, should I have stopped?
You tell me...
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"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our will, within limits
drawn around us by the equal rights of others."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:51:47 -0400
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I will argue that I am (necessarily) simplifying, but not
>*over*-simplifying. I offer a precise definition: a mo
Ian Lance Taylor has replied with some very interesting criticisms which
I intend to respond to. But I have to fly to Australia now and won't be
back for twelve days. My access to email will be spotty at best, so
hold those flames ;-)...
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f theoretical reference. Using them does simplify things.
Whether it *over*-simplifies them is another question altogether.
Personally, the more I study animal social models, the more I think
human beings flatter themselves by overestimating the complexity and
novelty of their own social behavio
llusions about what he traded away.
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Signal 11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Maybe his actions speak louder than his words.
They would, if he didn't insist on saying things that puzzle and alienate
and frighten people so often.
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"A system of licens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Richard, you don't understand "human behavior" worth a damn.
>
> There are enough hacker misanthropes on this list that we should not get
> into argu
(or your claim that I'm being
"simplistic") seriously until I see some operational evidence that
you've bothered to teach yourself a clue.
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Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good.
-- Mohandas Gandhi
ybody who really wants to do that.
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Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character,
give him power.
-- Abraham Lincoln
n the other hand, *I* made "open source"
happen. These things are never simple.
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Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character,
give him power.
-- Abraham Lincoln
claims like this that are
(a) ad hominem, and (b) easily refuted by anybody who actually who has
actually read what I wrote, then and since.
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Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government
of himself
tfully disagree with your claim that it is the one at issue here.
Some deontists are capable of noticing pragmatically that their tactics
aren't working. And some consequentialists (like me) have beliefs about
freedom as deep and passionate as Richard's.
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mystics. They're
a rare type, too.
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The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller
hich included some information on myers-briggs.
Hackers *are* ?NT?. That's my point. I don't know what else you thought
I meant by XNTX.
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"The power to tax involves the power to destroy;...the powe
Signal 11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Well, about 25% of people are NT on the myers-briggs, if I recall correctly.
Would that it were so. All the figures I've seen are 3-5%.
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A human being should be able to ch
re better at I am at persuading people other than hackers. Go for
it. Take my job, please.
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The abortion rights and gun control debates are twin aspects of a deeper
question --- does an individual ever have the right to make decisions
that are literally life-or-death? And if not the individual, who does?
a partial truth is more effective than the
whole deal -- and that's exactly how it is with "free software".
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No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound
to enforce it.
-- 16 Am. Jur. Sec. 177 late 2d, Sec 256
only person tired of living in a ghetto
and watching from the sidelines while Microsoft locked down the Internet.
It was time to grow up and get real.
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The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme
Being as
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The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as
the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral
check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally,
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>There is only one known case where we disagree, and that is the Apple license.
You really should look at APSL 1.1. I believe the provisions that you objected
toi have been fixed or removed.
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oblems. They're a heck of a precedent.
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A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring
one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from
e hands with fat-assed
corporate predators who never had an original idea in their lives.
Dammit, all that shit should have been RMS's job. I shouldn't have had
to do it at all. So when anybody sounds like they're accusing me of
selling out, I do tend to get a little testy. Cope w
lling
media whore and learning suit-speak and giving up your life and your
privacy and your hacking time. *I* did. And I'm glad I did.
And I'll stay glad I did no matter how many jerks sneer at me for it.
The price is high, but the prize is worth it. *Despite* you.
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to give in the future.
Can't you learn to accept your victory and your allies more gracefully?
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In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses
in return for protection to his own.
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814
ode repeals Brooks's Law without making
any commitment about the applicability of the LODR in general.
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The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing
that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder.
-- Frederick Bastiat
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