Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-30 Thread Wilson, Andrew
Tom Callaway wrote: > I would suggest that it would be better to have a proper legal translation > done of the 3c-BSD into Chinese, > than to have a weak "simple English" version for the rest of the world to > struggle with. +1 It would be an interesting exercise to have qualified legal profe

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-26 Thread Tom Callaway
On 01/26/2015 08:42 AM, Maxthon Chan wrote: > The incident is that one project owner found his code used in an commercial > product without attribution but the Chinese-speaking court says that the > license is not enforceable if it is written in a language that the judge > cannot understand, and

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-26 Thread Cinly Ooi
In that case ask your lawyers. I don't know the legal system in China. However, I do believe if the license is not valid because it is written in English and not Chinese, then the default license applies. And I do believe the default license will be no copying permitted just like in other countrie

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-26 Thread Maxthon Chan
That incident is only heard from friends. Also court documents is not made public in China. In this country lots of stuff is not made public. Don’t feel strange for the lack of transparency. > On Jan 25, 2015, at 18:51, Jim Wright wrote: > > Do you have a link or case name? I am curious to r

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-26 Thread Jim Wright
Do you have a link or case name? I am curious to read more about this holding. -- Jim > On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:47 PM, Maxthon Chan wrote: > > The incident is that one project owner found his code used in an commercial > product without attribution but the Chinese-speaking court says that th

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-25 Thread Ben Cotton
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:43 AM, David Woolley wrote: > > This sounds like a recipe for licence proliferation. It definitely is, but new licenses aren't always a problem, particularly in cases where a judge's inability to understand the language renders the license effectively invalid. Just for

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-25 Thread David Woolley
On 25/01/15 07:47, Maxthon Chan wrote: This lead me to create two thing: a 3c-BSD equivalent in simple English, and a 3c-BSD equivalent in Chinese (under law of Mainland China). This sounds like a recipe for licence proliferation. Note you can only do this if you own all the copyrights. Also,

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-24 Thread Maxthon Chan
The incident is that one project owner found his code used in an commercial product without attribution but the Chinese-speaking court says that the license is not enforceable if it is written in a language that the judge cannot understand, and that particular judge have only beginner level Engl

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-23 Thread Cinly Ooi
In this case it is probably better to get a lawyer to look at the final text if you can. Attempting to write a legalistic sounding license will probably be counterproductive compared to a layman license. Best Regards, Cinly * I do not read footer and will not be bounded by them. If they are l

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-23 Thread David Woolley
On 23/01/15 01:09, ChanMaxthon wrote: I was once using straight 3c-BSDL but one incident (I am not from an Anglophone country) proved to me that it's language is too complex in local courts. Now I am sort of forced into creating a functional equivalent using only simple English (definition: re

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-23 Thread Ben Cotton
I'd be really interested to learn more about the incident in question. Knowing what made the BSD 3-Clause insufficient might help improve the language. Constraining the license text to only include the words in the Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary sounds like a fun challenge. I'll see what sort

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-22 Thread ChanMaxthon
I was once using straight 3c-BSDL but one incident (I am not from an Anglophone country) proved to me that it's language is too complex in local courts. Now I am sort of forced into creating a functional equivalent using only simple English (definition: restrict word usage to the 3000 basic Engl

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-22 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Maxthon Chan wrote: > I have used a license like this for my open projects for a very long time. > Does this look like a real open source license? > Is this a rephrase of the 3-clause BSD license? It looks like a rephrase of the BSD 3-Clause, but there are some

[License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-22 Thread Maxthon Chan
I have used a license like this for my open projects for a very long time. Does this look like a real open source license? Here is the license text, as used in my buttond project: > buttond, version 1.0 > Copyright (C) 2015 Max T. Chan , All rights reserved. > > You are allowed to use, modify, c