Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-10-02 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
I just sent off my replies to ESR's replies to my replies to his replies to my comments on his Homesteading the Noosphere paper (which were themselves a reply to ESR's reply to a message from RMS, etc.). Respecting the various requests to keep the philosophy off of license-discuss, I only sent my

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1999-09-29 Thread Bockhorst Roland AFCA/ITLC 256-3488
How we want to feel about ourselves is a good motivation too. Angelo wrote > > Hi, > > after following your thread for a while now it seems to me > that you both agree more or less to each other but simply > use different terms/words to express your selves.

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1999-09-29 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi, after following your thread for a while now it seems to me that you both agree more or less to each other but simply use different terms/words to express your selves. To comment you, Richard, I do not believe that there is any software engineer/software architect/programmer who does NOT play

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:24 -0400 >From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I was unable to find the earlier part of the discussion, but I recall >> that when Ian stated his motivations,

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:24 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was unable to find the earlier part of the discussion, but I recall > that when Ian stated his motivations, you said that they were beside > the point, bec

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Mitch Blevins
Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > I think "he said, she said" has gone beyond the point of usefulness to > this list - let's move on. So, who is the "he" and who is the "she"? ;) Anybody know how to get off this list? I've tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Mitch

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Brian Behlendorf
I think "he said, she said" has gone beyond the point of usefulness to this list - let's move on. Brian

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
>RMS > I was unable to find the earlier part of the discussion, but I recall >RMS that when Ian stated his motivations, you said that they were beside >RMS > the point, because (you believed) his behavior could be predicted from >RMS > reputation-seeking anyway. > ESR> Richard, you're unable to f

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was unable to find the earlier part of the discussion, but I recall > that when Ian stated his motivations, you said that they were beside > the point, because (you believed) his behavior could be predicted from > reputation-seeking anyway. Richard, you'r

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-27 Thread Richard Stallman
How the heck do you get that out of a presentation that includes John Locke, microeconomic analysis, and several million years of human evolutionary history? You've said many things in your carreer; I have not read your papers recently. I'm responding to things you said earlier in t

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am sure it does, but in this discussion you said that predicting the > hacking behavior of hackers is the only thing we should consider when > we try to understand hacking and hackers. How the heck do you get that out of a presentation that includes John

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-22 Thread Richard Stallman
> You seem to be arguing that we should try to understand certain > actions of hackers without using the rest of what we understand about > people generally Hardly. My understanding draws widely on neoclassical economics, legal history, anthropology, sociology, primate etholo

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-20 Thread bruce
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Long theoretical discussion deleted] It sounds as if my request is being ignored. Maybe we should just move the _licensing_ discussions elsewhere. Thanks Bruce

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Judging theories against reality often involves testing predictions, > but that is not the whole of it. Deutschmann, in "The Fabric of > Reality", shows near the beginning that what we want from a theory is > not mere prediction of facts, but explanation of

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-20 Thread Richard Stallman
The greatest insight of the last two centuries in philosophy, and arguably the greatest in its entire history, is that we have *nothing else to go on* but predictive power; Our understanding of reality can only be judged against observed events. But doing this properly means judging

Re: Oversimplifications in HtN -- Philosophy and biology

1999-09-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:51:47 -0400 >From: "Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I will argue that I am (necessarily) simplifying, but not >*over*-simplifying. I offer a precise definition: a model is >oversimplified when it is unab