Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Patent reform is a much easier goal to reach than the entire elimination of patents. It might looks that way, but actually reforming the way the US patent office works is nearly impossible. The US patent office has been issuing absurd patents for some 150 years if not longer. (In genera

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-20 Thread Mark Shewmaker
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:33:26AM -0400, V. Alex Brennen wrote: > "Ross N. Williams" wrote: > > > > (One per 20 minutes is about 25,000 per year which I think is > > about the current rate. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but > > even if it was just one patent issued a day, it would still

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-20 Thread Ross N. Williams
At 8:43 AM +0200 20/10/99, Robert M. Muench wrote: >Hi Ross, looks like you have several business concepts for this >patentbuster thing :-). First I have to say that I'm not against >making a 'business' out of such a thing (meaning that people who >contribute gain something) as the service is like

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-20 Thread Richard Stallman
Perhaps one service that patentbusters.org could provide is to publicise this concept (so that companies understand it) and act as a synchronization centre for companies that are under threat to find companies that are likely to be next in line and convince them to contribute a

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
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RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
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RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
> -Original Message- > From: Ross N. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 2:27 AM > To: Doug Hudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [openip] Re: "rights" a

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Arandir
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Robert M. Muench wrote: >It's better to invalid some patents than non at all. If you see the evil as patents in and of themselves, regardless of whether they're hardware or software, then you would be right in pursuing any avenue, no matter how futile. However, I would gues

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Each patent has a 3 month public period were everyone can file an objection to a published patent. It should be trivial to show prior art to the PTO and argue about the triviality of the filed patent. You may not realize how much work this involves. I think that several thousand

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Ross N. Williams
At 11:43 AM -0400 19/10/99, Doug Hudson wrote: >> >> The number of trivial software patent applications should >> >> slow drastically if a significant number of such >> >> applications were rejected. Here's another concept people might find of interest. A month or so ago I was contacted by a Ch

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Ross N. Williams
At 11:43 AM -0400 19/10/99, Doug Hudson wrote: >> IF >> (a) the patents really are easy to prove as trivial, >> AND (b) each company has paid US$20K+ to bring the patent >> to issuance, >> THEN >> it should be possible to create an organization that >> generates revenue by wri

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Doug Hudson
> >> The number of trivial software patent applications should > >> slow drastically if a significant number of such > >> applications were rejected. No. Actually, many firms will follow the lead of Microsoft, and get hundreds of patents, which they form into "patent pools." MS and others are

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Ross N. Williams
At 4:31 PM +0200 19/10/99, Robert M. Muench wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of V. >Alex >> Brennen >> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 3:33 PM >> To: Ross N. Williams >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of V. Alex > Brennen > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 3:33 PM > To: Ross N. Williams > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms" > The numb

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
From: "Robert M. Muench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Answer: Because there is one US software patent issued, on > average, > > every 20 minutes, and it would take several days of work to > find > > prior art for each one and prepare a submission. > > But not all patents are related to the t

Re: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread V. Alex Brennen
"Ross N. Williams" wrote: > > At 9:29 AM +0200 19/10/99, Robert M. Muench wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Richard Stallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:44 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms" > > > >

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
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RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Ross N. Williams
At 9:29 AM +0200 19/10/99, Robert M. Muench wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Richard Stallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:44 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROT

RE: [openip] Re: "rights" and "freedoms"

1999-10-19 Thread Robert M. Muench
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Stallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PR