Re: [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq()

2024-09-28 Thread Mathieu Desnoyers

On 2024-09-28 16:58, Alan Stern wrote:

On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 09:51:28AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:

[...]

--  Be very careful about comparing pointers obtained from
-   rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values.  As Linus Torvalds
-   explained, if the two pointers are equal, the compiler could
-   substitute the pointer you are comparing against for the pointer
-   obtained from rcu_dereference().  For example::
+-  Use relational operators which preserve address dependencies
+   (such as "ptr_eq()") to compare pointers obtained from


Nit: ptr_eq() is an inline function, not a relational operator.  Say
"operations that" instead of "relational operators which".


+   rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values or against pointers


Note: here I need to update the wording as well:

+-  Use operations that preserve address dependencies (such as
+   "ptr_eq()") to compare pointers obtained from rcu_dereference()
+   against non-NULL pointers. As Linus Torvalds explained, if the
+   two pointers are equal, the compiler could substitute the
+   pointer you are comparing against for the pointer obtained from
+   rcu_dereference().  For example::



+   obtained from prior loads. As Linus Torvalds explained, if the
+   two pointers are equal, the compiler could substitute the
+   pointer you are comparing against for the pointer obtained from
+   rcu_dereference().  For example::
  
  		p = rcu_dereference(gp);

if (p == &default_struct)
@@ -125,6 +127,23 @@ readers working properly:
On ARM and Power hardware, the load from "default_struct.a"
can now be speculated, such that it might happen before the
rcu_dereference().  This could result in bugs due to misordering.
+   Performing the comparison with "ptr_eq()" ensures the compiler
+   does not perform such transformation.
+
+   If the comparison is against a pointer obtained from prior
+   loads, the compiler is allowed to use either register for the


This is true even when the comparison is against a pointer obtained from
a later load.  Just say "another pointer" instead of "a pointer obtained
from prior loads".  (And why would someone need multiple loads to
obtain a single pointer?)

Also, say "pointer" instead of "register".


OK.




+   following accesses, which loses the address dependency and
+   allows weakly-ordered architectures such as ARM and PowerPC
+   to speculate the address-dependent load before rcu_dereference().
+   For example::
+
+   p1 = READ_ONCE(gp);
+   p2 = rcu_dereference(gp);
+   if (p1 == p2)
+   do_default(p2->a);


Here you should say that the compiler could use p1->a rather than p2->a,
destroying the address dependency.  That's the whole point of this; you
shouldn't skip over it.


OK.




+
+   Performing the comparison with "ptr_eq()" ensures the compiler
+   preserves the address dependencies.
  
  	However, comparisons are OK in the following cases:
  
@@ -204,6 +223,11 @@ readers working properly:

comparison will provide exactly the information that the
compiler needs to deduce the value of the pointer.
  
+	When in doubt, use relational operators that preserve address


Again, "operations" instead of "relational operators".


OK. Will fix in my next round.

Thanks,

Mathieu



Alan Stern


+   dependencies (such as "ptr_eq()") to compare pointers obtained
+   from rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values or against
+   pointers obtained from prior loads.
+
  - Disable any value-speculation optimizations that your compiler
might provide, especially if you are making use of feedback-based
optimizations that take data collected from prior runs.  Such
--
2.39.2



--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com




Re: [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq()

2024-09-28 Thread Alan Stern
On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 09:51:28AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> Refer to ptr_eq() in the rcu_dereference() documentation.
> 
> ptr_eq() is a mechanism that preserves address dependencies when
> comparing pointers, and should be favored when comparing a pointer
> obtained from rcu_dereference() against another pointer.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Mathieu Desnoyers 
> Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman 
> Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior 
> Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" 
> Cc: Will Deacon 
> Cc: Peter Zijlstra 
> Cc: Boqun Feng 
> Cc: Alan Stern 
> Cc: John Stultz 
> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay 
> Cc: Linus Torvalds 
> Cc: Boqun Feng 
> Cc: Frederic Weisbecker 
> Cc: Joel Fernandes 
> Cc: Josh Triplett 
> Cc: Uladzislau Rezki 
> Cc: Steven Rostedt 
> Cc: Lai Jiangshan 
> Cc: Zqiang 
> Cc: Ingo Molnar 
> Cc: Waiman Long 
> Cc: Mark Rutland 
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner 
> Cc: Vlastimil Babka 
> Cc: maged.mich...@gmail.com
> Cc: Mateusz Guzik 
> Cc: Gary Guo 
> Cc: Jonas Oberhauser 
> Cc: r...@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux...@kvack.org
> Cc: l...@lists.linux.dev
> ---
>  Documentation/RCU/rcu_dereference.rst | 34 +++
>  1 file changed, 29 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/RCU/rcu_dereference.rst 
> b/Documentation/RCU/rcu_dereference.rst
> index 2524dcdadde2..c36b8d1721f6 100644
> --- a/Documentation/RCU/rcu_dereference.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/RCU/rcu_dereference.rst
> @@ -104,11 +104,13 @@ readers working properly:
>   after such branches, but can speculate loads, which can again
>   result in misordering bugs.
>  
> --Be very careful about comparing pointers obtained from
> - rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values.  As Linus Torvalds
> - explained, if the two pointers are equal, the compiler could
> - substitute the pointer you are comparing against for the pointer
> - obtained from rcu_dereference().  For example::
> +-Use relational operators which preserve address dependencies
> + (such as "ptr_eq()") to compare pointers obtained from

Nit: ptr_eq() is an inline function, not a relational operator.  Say 
"operations that" instead of "relational operators which".

> + rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values or against pointers
> + obtained from prior loads. As Linus Torvalds explained, if the
> + two pointers are equal, the compiler could substitute the
> + pointer you are comparing against for the pointer obtained from
> + rcu_dereference().  For example::
>  
>   p = rcu_dereference(gp);
>   if (p == &default_struct)
> @@ -125,6 +127,23 @@ readers working properly:
>   On ARM and Power hardware, the load from "default_struct.a"
>   can now be speculated, such that it might happen before the
>   rcu_dereference().  This could result in bugs due to misordering.
> + Performing the comparison with "ptr_eq()" ensures the compiler
> + does not perform such transformation.
> +
> + If the comparison is against a pointer obtained from prior
> + loads, the compiler is allowed to use either register for the

This is true even when the comparison is against a pointer obtained from 
a later load.  Just say "another pointer" instead of "a pointer obtained 
from prior loads".  (And why would someone need multiple loads to 
obtain a single pointer?)

Also, say "pointer" instead of "register".

> + following accesses, which loses the address dependency and
> + allows weakly-ordered architectures such as ARM and PowerPC
> + to speculate the address-dependent load before rcu_dereference().
> + For example::
> +
> + p1 = READ_ONCE(gp);
> + p2 = rcu_dereference(gp);
> + if (p1 == p2)
> + do_default(p2->a);

Here you should say that the compiler could use p1->a rather than p2->a, 
destroying the address dependency.  That's the whole point of this; you 
shouldn't skip over it.

> +
> + Performing the comparison with "ptr_eq()" ensures the compiler
> + preserves the address dependencies.
>  
>   However, comparisons are OK in the following cases:
>  
> @@ -204,6 +223,11 @@ readers working properly:
>   comparison will provide exactly the information that the
>   compiler needs to deduce the value of the pointer.
>  
> + When in doubt, use relational operators that preserve address

Again, "operations" instead of "relational operators".

Alan Stern

> + dependencies (such as "ptr_eq()") to compare pointers obtained
> + from rcu_dereference() against non-NULL values or against
> + pointers obtained from prior loads.
> +
>  -Disable any value-speculation optimizations that your compiler
>   might provide, especially if you are making use of feedback-based
>   optimizations that take data collected from prior runs.  Such
> -- 
> 2.39.2
>