Re: [IFWP] Re: GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
On Fri, 07 May 1999 23:41:21 -0400, Michael Sondow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >William X. Walsh a écrit: >> >> Replace ICIIU with Michael Sondow, for that is the sole person Mr >> Sondow is authorized to speak on behalf of. > >You are so blinded by envy and jealousy, Billy, I'm amazed that you >

[IFWP] Re: Criterion for placement on the List

1999-05-07 Thread Kerry Miller
> Search engine/indexing technology makes it easier to determine how often > a particular character string occurs in a hostname, URL, etc. Who's working on the problem of monitoring how often a user clicks a search-engine hit which is *not the one she wanted? A remarkable aspect of all the t

Re: [IFWP] Re: GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
William X. Walsh a écrit: > > Replace ICIIU with Michael Sondow, for that is the sole person Mr > Sondow is authorized to speak on behalf of. You are so blinded by envy and jealousy, Billy, I'm amazed that you can find the keys to type on.

Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread martys
>At 04:51 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > The very fact that the terms are not precise makes clear why the WIPO >>>exclusion List criterion must be something other than those terms. >>>Otherwise, we will see a sad replay of the old NSI problems where two >>>like-named companies come i

[IFWP] Report From the Cato Institute

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Thursday, May 6, 1999 Cato Institute, Washington D.C. Milton Mueller, David Post, and Beckwith Burr were the panelists at a well-attended forum on Internet governance today at the Cato Institute in Washington D.C. Milton Mueller and David Post began the proceedings with well-for

[IFWP] Re: GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
On Fri, 7 May 1999 20:32:31 -0400, Michael Sondow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why was the agenda for the Berlin GAC meeting removed from the GAC >website? > >The ICIIU will expect a satisfactory reply from Mr. Twomey and/or >ICANN by the afternoon of Monday, May 10. If that reply is not >forthcom

[IFWP] Re: GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
On Fri, 7 May 1999 20:32:31 -0400, Michael Sondow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why was the agenda for the Berlin GAC meeting removed from the GAC >website? > >The ICIIU will expect a satisfactory reply from Mr. Twomey and/or >ICANN by the afternoon of Monday, May 10. If that reply is not >forthcom

Re: [IFWP] GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Michael and all, We [INEGroup] have taken notice of this inconsistency as well and would also make the same suggestion as well and call for an in depth investigation as well. Michael Sondow wrote: > Why was the agenda for the Berlin GAC meeting removed from the GAC > website? > > The ICIIU wi

Re: [IFWP] Re: Criterion for placement on the List

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Kerry and all, Kerry Miller wrote: > John, > > The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working > > knowledge of the Internet. They are twofold: > > > > 1) Trademark enforcement against DNS names at levels below those > > assigned by TLD registries, or against directory

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dave Crocker
At 03:32 PM 5/7/99 -0400, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: When did DOJ acquire the authority to deem the information >extracted from a private company's customer database a >"public resource?" Sometime before that private company decided to give itself the authority to claim ownership over a database that

Re: [IFWP] GAC Draft Agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Ken Stubbs a écrit: > > you need to get more sleep & stop smoking so many cigarettes michael You only reply when someone gets dangerously close to the truth.

Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 04:51 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: >>>The very fact that the terms are not precise makes clear why the WIPO >>exclusion List criterion must be something other than those terms. >>Otherwise, we will see a sad replay of the old NSI problems where two >>like-named companies come into co

RE: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Ellen Rony
Miles Marsh wrote: >Yes, and while the government has attempted to address the issue of >turning over certain operational characteristics of the Internet, I do >not believe they have addresses the issue of turning over the database >directly. >From Amendment 11 of the Cooperative Agreement (Octo

[IFWP] GAC agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Why was the agenda for the Berlin GAC meeting removed from the GAC website? The ICIIU will expect a satisfactory reply from Mr. Twomey and/or ICANN by the afternoon of Monday, May 10. If that reply is not forthcoming, the ICIIU will ask the World Trade Organization to conduct an investigation int

[IFWP] Re: Criterion for placement on the List

1999-05-07 Thread Kerry Miller
John, > The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working > knowledge of the Internet. They are twofold: > > 1) Trademark enforcement against DNS names at levels below those > assigned by TLD registries, or against directory names used within > Web sites, is a practical

Re: [IFWP] Re: [Enredo] Re: Running root

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Michael and all, I wish they would TRY to crush our organization or any of our affiliates. My guess is that they won't. But I SURE wish they would try! I for one would WELCOME the opportunity in open court. >;) Michael Sondow wrote: > Jose Soriano a écrit: > > > > Dr Eberhard W Lisse > >

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin [ATTENTION ESTHER DYSON and MIKE ROBERTS]

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Esther, Mike and all ATTENTION ESTHER DYSON!  ATTENTION ESTHER DYSON! ATTENTION MIKE ROBERTS!  ATTENTION MIKE ROBERTS!   We at the [INEGroup] would also yet again request that YOU, Esther Dyson and/or Mike Roberts answer the questions that have been put to you directly please!!  As a servent of t

[IFWP] Re: ISP Constituency DNSO

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Manuel Hurtado a écrit: > I will try to attend the Berlin meeting, but I am against on-site > negotiations, as they would exclude most of the ISP community. The obligation of physical presence at international ICANN meetings, with no attempt made by ICANN to create proxy- and on-line voting mech

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
All, The mighty William the Great has spoken! Let that be a lesson to you all! Head the word of WILLIAM THE GREAT, he has spoken, so it MUST be true! YEAH RIGHT! NOT LIKELY! More like the peanut gallery Whiner has spoken. ROFLMAO! William X. Walsh wrote: > On Fri, 07 May 1999 15:32:1

Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
>At 02:16 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > >>The distinction is meaningless in this discussion, as the poster proposed >>his personal standard which is lower than the standard for a well-known >>mark in the most conservative jurisdiction. And the WIPO report uses the >>term conjunctively

RE: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Marsh, Miles (Gene)
Title: RE: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Esther, I am also curious as to your response.  These are important issues for all of us. Thanks! Gene Marsh anycastNET Incorporated > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Greenwell [mailto

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Patrick Greenwell
On Fri, 7 May 1999, Esther Dyson wrote: > Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will > do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from > our process, do you have any comments on the substance of the WIPO report? > We would welcome those.

RE: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Marsh, Miles (Gene)
Title: RE: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, and while the government has attempted to address the issue of turning over certain operational characteristics of the Internet, I do not believe they have addresses the issue of turning over the

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
On Fri, 07 May 1999 15:32:18 -0400, "A.M. Rutkowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 03:04 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: >>Wired: WHO OWNS WHOIS DATABASE? (POL. Thursday) > >>Robert Raisch, who was active in initial commercialization of the >>domain-name system and now an Internet busi

Re: [IFWP] GAC Draft Agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Ken Stubbs
you need to get more sleep & stop smoking so many cigarettes michael . best wishes - Original Message - From: Michael Sondow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jay Fenello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Esther Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[E

[IFWP] Re: [Enredo] Re: Running root

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Jose Soriano a écrit: > > Dr Eberhard W Lisse > > What happen if any ccTLD don't make his work and we have > a blackout of all the world outside de EEUU? Maybe we must > ask how much must pay the ICANN to the ccTLDs and any other > kind of TLD in country outside the USA, or they don't need us >

Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 02:16 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: >The distinction is meaningless in this discussion, as the poster proposed >his personal standard which is lower than the standard for a well-known >mark in the most conservative jurisdiction. And the WIPO report uses the >term conjunctively - the

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Greg Skinner
"John B. Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most trademark holders (Viacom being the proverbial 'exception that proves > the rule') would not consider trademark.sld.com worth their time. In most > cases, they would never know about its existence - there are undoubtedly > still hundreds of ma

Re: [IFWP] GAC Draft Agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Jay Fenello a écrit: > > Hi Esther, > > Could you please explain this agenda > from the Governmental Advisory Committee: > > >http://www.noie.gov.au/docs/gacmtg2_agenda.htm > > > >DRAFT AGENDA > > > >1.Welcome > > > >2.Internal Communications - Practices and procedures > > > >3.Draft Operating

Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
I cannot think of a standard that would work *other than* >unique-and-coined. The problem, if someone with a dictionary word gets >their mark on the List, is that the dictionary word is now unavailable as a >domain name for other like-named companies. United Airlines will clamor to >get "unite

Re: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
John and all, John B. Reynolds wrote: > A.M. Rutkowski wrote: > >At 02:19 PM 5/7/99 , John B. Reynolds wrote: > > > > > > The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working > > knowledge of the Internet. They are twofold: > > > >do say. :-) > > It is, of course, more prob

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Greg Skinner
A.M. Rutkowski wrote: > So the test is "the liklihood of consumer confusion," and there > is no issue with, for example, porsche.aol.com? If porsche.aol.com were used by AOL as a site to sell Porsches without proper authorization, perhaps. However, generally speaking, people don't register famo

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standardfor being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Mikki Barry
>A few isolated cases do not change the facts that the number of trademark >disputes based on third and lower level domains is dwarfed by those >associated with SLDs, and that no trademark holders' group has yet proposed >that lower level domains be subject to dispute resolution procedures. You c

Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 12:36 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: >>And the usual remedy for infringement or dilution, worldwide, is at most >>cease-and-desist relief, not a transfer-of-property relief. > >Well, seizures provide transfer-of-property relief. Under the Lanham Act, the only permitted seizure that is

Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
The distinction is meaningless in this discussion, as the poster proposed his personal standard which is lower than the standard for a well-known mark in the most conservative jurisdiction. And the WIPO report uses the term conjunctively - the title of the Section is "The problem of notoriety; Fa

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Ken Stubbs
yada..yada..yada...   same choirbook ...different soloist - Original Message - From: A.M. Rutkowski To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI When did DOJ acquire the authority

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working > > knowledge of the Internet. They are twofold: > > > > 1) Trademark enforcement against DNS names at levels below > those assigned > > by TLD registries, or against directory names used withi

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
A.M. Rutkowski wrote: >At 02:19 PM 5/7/99 , John B. Reynolds wrote: > > > The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working > knowledge of the Internet. They are twofold: > >do say. :-) It is, of course, more probable that you are intentionally raising 'issues' that you

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "A.M. Rutkowski" writes: > Is anyone aware of when you could download "Whois" en masse? I just LOVE these "Experts" who know as much as the K*nt about these things.:-)-O To me it looks like he mixes this together with the COM zone file that has now been restric

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
At 03:04 PM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: Wired:   WHO OWNS WHOIS DATABASE? (POL. Thursday) Robert Raisch, who was active in initial commercialization of the domain-name system and now an Internet business consultant, said if the investigation is successful the Whois database will be deemed

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread dstein
> > A.M. Rutkowski wrote: > >Carl, > > > > > >There is no "world's famous mark practice". The US has a vague list of > >eight non-binding factors which is a judge is free to use or ignore as the > > > > > >Very useful, succinct "marks in a nutshell" summary. > > > >Another dimension of this that

Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread dstein
> At 10:56 AM 5/7/99 -0600, you wrote: > >At 10:33 AM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > > > >>You hadn't made it clear that you were asking ICANN to adopt your own > >>personal proposal for criteria, rather than follow the world's famous mark > >>practice. > > > >Oppedahl: There is no "world's

Re: [IFWP] Re: GAC Draft Agenda: ICANN practicing cnesorship?

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Jay, Paul and Esther, Yes, Paul, Esther and Becky, whey were Jays question and comments removed from the URL listed below? Is there some embarrassment in that an honest answer is not available or otherwise unknown? Why not answer Jays questions, directly this time BTW, if you please. >:) Ar

Re: [IFWP] Economic rationalism (was: Cato Institute ...

1999-05-07 Thread Greg Skinner
Kerry Miller wrote: > Greg Skinner wrote: >> Like I said before, there will always be people around who will tryto >> make an easy buck if they see an opportunity to do so and there are people >> who will pay for the service. > Academic calls for more social impact research on economic rationali

[IFWP] ICANN & The Declaration of Independance

1999-05-07 Thread Jay Fenello
Excerpts from: http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/declaration/declaration.html When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equa

Re: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Kent Crispin
On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 02:59:09PM -0400, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: [...] > > So the test is "the liklihood of consumer confusion," Precisely. > and there > is no issue with, for example, porsche.aol.com? There might be. SLDs are more visible and more likely to cause confusion. But under some c

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
Wired: WHO OWNS WHOIS DATABASE? (POL. Thursday) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/19539.h tml

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
Mikki and all, We [INEGroup] completely concur with MIkki's comments here as I indicated yesterday. We are still in detailed review of the WIPO RFC-3 "Final Report" currently and have no completed that in depth review process. It is my understanding that the EU council is also still in review

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
At 02:19 PM 5/7/99 , John B. Reynolds wrote: The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious to anyone with any working knowledge of the Internet.  They are twofold: do say. :-) 1)  Trademark enforcement against DNS names at levels below those assigned by TLD registries, or against directory names

[IFWP] Re: NCDNHC list

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
Bret A. Fausett a écrit: > > The latest agenda items for the Berlin ICANN meeting > (http://www.icann.org/berlin/berlin-details.html) suggest that "[t]he > ICANN Board of Directors will meet to discuss and vote on any pending > resolutions with regard to...WIPO Final Report, including annexes." I

[IFWP] Comment re ICANN/WIPO process

1999-05-07 Thread Michael Sondow
[Note: this is a copy of the previous message. I am re-sending it because the "Subject" of the former message was incorrect.] Bret A. Fausett a écrit: > > The latest agenda items for the Berlin ICANN meeting > (http://www.icann.org/berlin/berlin-details.html) suggest that "[t]he > ICANN Board of

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI: More William Walsh Whining

1999-05-07 Thread Jeff Williams
All, More FUD and whining from the WWW man himself. William X. Walsh wrote: > On Fri, 07 May 1999 14:33:31 +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Ah, Willie the Whiner Woke up Again. > > > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William X. Walsh writes: > > > >> Wish Dr Lisse t

Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
At 10:56 AM 5/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 10:33 AM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > >>You hadn't made it clear that you were asking ICANN to adopt your own >>personal proposal for criteria, rather than follow the world's famous mark >>practice. > >Oppedahl: There is no "world's famous mark pra

RE: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
A.M. Rutkowski wrote: >Carl, > > >There is no "world's famous mark practice". The US has a vague list of >eight non-binding factors which is a judge is free to use or ignore as the > > >Very useful, succinct "marks in a nutshell" summary. > >Another dimension of this that came up yesterday at th

[IFWP] Reminder - BoF on Internet Governance at Networld+Interop in LasVegas next week

1999-05-07 Thread Karl Auerbach
Just a reminder. I'll be leading a BoF on Internet Governance at Networld+Interop in Las Vegas next week. It's Tuesday, May 11, at 6pm. --karl--

Re: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Carl, There is no "world's famous mark practice".  The US has a vague list of eight non-binding factors which is a judge is free to use or ignore as the Very useful, succinct "marks in a nutshell" summary. Another dimension of this that came up yesterday at the CATO gathering, and remains an en

Re: Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Kent Crispin
On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 10:56:47AM -0600, Carl Oppedahl wrote: [...] > What I am suggesting is that such a plum should be given only to the > company that can establish that its mark is coined and unique. I don't think that such a criteria really gets to the heart of the matter, however: "coined

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Charles Broomfield writes: > > > Indeed, the fact that NSF approved fees contains an implicit statement > > > that there is a contact database upon which the contractor, NSI, can > > > administer to process renewals. > > > > Yes, and? Does it say this must b

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Teddy A. Purwadi
At 15:27 07/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard J. Sexton" writes: >> At 06:42 AM 5/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >RFC1183 provides a nice way to do this with RP and >> >associated TXT resources. However, it's not apparent >> >whether this is supported or used. That ma

Criterion for placement on the List (was Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark)

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 10:33 AM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: >You hadn't made it clear that you were asking ICANN to adopt your own >personal proposal for criteria, rather than follow the world's famous mark >practice. There is no "world's famous mark practice". The US has a vague list of eight non-binding

Re: [IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark (was Re: Comments on WIPO report sought)

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
You hadn't made it clear that you were asking ICANN to adopt your own personal proposal for criteria, rather than follow the world's famous mark practice. OK, let's not adopt Mr. Oppedahl's personal criteria of "coined and unique", as it is a marked departure from the existing case law, and would

Re: [IFWP] Re: GAC Draft Agenda

1999-05-07 Thread Jay Fenello
Hello Esther and Paul, If I may be so bold as to ask, what's going on now? Not only have my questions gone un-answered, but the GAC agenda has now been removed from the URL below. This is all very curious, hardly an example of "open, bottom-up policy making" as described by Becky Burr las

[IFWP] Standard for being a famous mark (was Re: Comments on WIPO report sought)

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 09:03 AM 5/7/99 , Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > >Without commenting on the proposed 'exclusionary" practice itself, I note >that Mr. Oppedahl impliedly misstates the standard for being a famous mark. > It is not "coined and unique." Non-coined marks which are famous include >JOHNNIE WALKER, CAD

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Kent Crispin
On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 02:31:38PM +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > > Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in > > the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't > > always work. > > That is totally besides the point. Nope. It is precisely t

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Richard, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard J. Sexton" writes: > Buf, if there were TXT records in the zone at the namesevrer > that served the domain that would decentralise whois nicely. What different is this from following established, RFC mandated procedures and maintain a proper SOA

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kent Crispin writes: > OTOH, users have a *real* incentive to keep at least their billing > contact information up to date. This spills over to keeping the > other contact data for a SLD at least somewhat up-to-date. .NA applicants have a *REAL* incentive to ke

Re: Comments on WIPO report sought (was Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin)

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
Without commenting on the proposed 'exclusionary" practice itself, I note that Mr. Oppedahl impliedly misstates the standard for being a famous mark. It is not "coined and unique." Non-coined marks which are famous include JOHNNIE WALKER, CADILLAC and NIKE. Demonstrably unique (or more to the

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 07:26 AM 5/7/99 -0400, Esther Dyson wrote: >Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will >do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from >our process, do you have any comments on the substance of the WIPO report? >We would welcome those

[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [Sean Jackson ]

1999-05-07 Thread Richard J. Sexton
>Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:32:14 -0400 (EDT) >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Non-member submission from [Sean Jackson ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > >>From jackson.tc!sean Fri May 7 08:32:13 1999 >Return-Path: <[

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Martin B. Schwimmer
One of NSI's vendors wrote: > > I'm not speaking for NSI You mean "as an openly designated representative." Well, let's hear from Chrisotpher Clough or Don Telage what was meant when Clough said to the Washington Post that the data is intellectual property. , but there is the zone file > T

[IFWP] Becky Burr in the Hot Seat

1999-05-07 Thread Jay Fenello
Quite an interesting event. Some "inside the beltway" types are finally getting the big picture: http://cato.org/realaudio/cpf-05-06-99.ram A Crisis in Internet Governanace: ICANN, Trademarks, and Domain Names (05/06/99) A Cato policy forum, featuring Professor Milton Mueller, Syracuse Un

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 03:23 PM 5/7/99 +0200, you wrote: >> >Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in >> >the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't >> >always work. >> >> The whois information isn't always correct either. > >I agree. But I'd much rather trust in

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Richard, Voss iss mit Digital Millenium Act ? See http://www.ngi.org/pub/copyright.htm --tony

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Kent Crispin
On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 03:23:17PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in > > >the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't > > >always work. > > > > The whois information isn't always correct either. > >

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Mikki Barry
>I echo Bret's concerns and agree with his suggested course of action. >There is >no urgency to take this action. I completely agree. It would take longer than the timeframe allocated to even provide coherrent comments on a report as dense and as far reaching as this one. There is definitely no

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard J. Sexton" writes: > At 06:42 AM 5/7/99 -0400, you wrote: > >RFC1183 provides a nice way to do this with RP and > >associated TXT resources. However, it's not apparent > >whether this is supported or used. That may change > >significantly with the Digita

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in > > >the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't > > >always work. > > > > The whois information isn't always correct either. > > I agree.

Comments on WIPO report sought (was Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin)

1999-05-07 Thread Carl Oppedahl
At 05:26 AM 5/7/99 , Esther Dyson wrote: >Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will >do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from >our process, do you have any comments on the substance of the WIPO report? >We would welcome those. >

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread sthaug
> >Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in > >the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't > >always work. > > The whois information isn't always correct either. I agree. But I'd much rather trust information that *I* (as a TLD admin) maintain

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Richard J. Sexton
>Being a TLD administrator, you know as well as I do that the info in >the SOA record isn't always correct, and postmaster@ addresses don't >always work. The whois information isn't always correct either. Oen could put th enformation from whois in the DNS itselt as TXT records. You could then use

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 06:42 AM 5/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >RFC1183 provides a nice way to do this with RP and >associated TXT resources. However, it's not apparent >whether this is supported or used. That may change >significantly with the Digital Millennium Act. Voss iss mit Digital Millenium Act ? -- [EMAIL PRO

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
On Fri, 07 May 1999 14:33:31 +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ah, Willie the Whiner Woke up Again. > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William X. Walsh writes: > >> Wish Dr Lisse took such a strong position with regards to the letter >> of the RFC when it came to RFC1591

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread dstein
I echo Bret's concerns and agree with his suggested course of action. There is no urgency to take this action. > Esther Dyson wrote: > > >Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will > >do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from >

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Tony, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "A.M. Rutkowski" writes: > Steinar, > > >There is a real, *technical* need to be able to get hold of domain > >contact persons. The info needed to do this sometimes includes phone/ > >fax number and street address - email isn't always enough. > > > RFC11

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Ah, Willie the Whiner Woke up Again. In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William X. Walsh writes: > Wish Dr Lisse took such a strong position with regards to the letter > of the RFC when it came to RFC1591... Go and run after Jeff the Man if you haven't got anthing to do, please, but stop inte

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Steinar, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The whois database is part and parcel, a necessary element of DNS > > > operation. It is impossible (or at least unreasonable) to conceive of > > > running a TLD zone file without keeping track of who is associated with > >

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Bret A. Fausett
Esther Dyson wrote: >Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will >do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from >our process, do you have any comments on the substance of the WIPO report? >We would welcome those. > >Esther Yes, ICANN h

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

1999-05-07 Thread Esther Dyson
Thanks for your comments. AS noted, we have not yet decided what we will do. It indeed depends on public comments, among other things. But aside from our process, do you have any comments on the substance of the WIPO report? We would welcome those. Esther At 11:53 AM 06/05/99 -0400, Bret A. Fau

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Steinar, There is a real, *technical* need to be able to get hold of domain contact persons. The info needed to do this sometimes includes phone/ fax number and street address - email isn't always enough. RFC1183  provides a nice way to do this with RP and associated TXT resources.  However, it'

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread William X. Walsh
Wish Dr Lisse took such a strong position with regards to the letter of the RFC when it came to RFC1591... On Fri, 7 May 1999 10:09:25 +0200 (South Africa Standard Time), Dr Eberhard W Lisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Karl, > >On Thu, 6 May 1999, Karl Auerbach wrote: > >> The whois databa

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread sthaug
> > The whois database is part and parcel, a necessary element of DNS > > operation. It is impossible (or at least unreasonable) to conceive of > > running a TLD zone file without keeping track of who is associated with > > each second level domain. > > Actually, that's incorrect. The DNS SOA re

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

1999-05-07 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Karl, On Thu, 6 May 1999, Karl Auerbach wrote: > The whois database is part and parcel, a necessary element of DNS > operation. It is impossible (or at least unreasonable) to conceive of > running a TLD zone file without keeping track of who is associated with > each second level domain. Actua