Haven't had a chance to try this yet: http://www.url.ru/~copah/CDReader.htm It's a plugin for the Apollo, Sonique and Winamp audio players. By the looks of it, it's like ripping a CD in realtime and feeding it directly to the soundcard. Thus if you've got a soundcard with a digital output (and no proper CD player with one), you could play the CD back on that rather than having to rip it first, saving time when you're recording to MD. When I get win98 back up and running on this box I'll let you know how well it works :) (side-note - are there any win2k drivers for the Vortex2 soundcards where both of the lineouts and the optical out work?) -- Simon ----------------------------------------------------------------- To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]