Dan Frakes wrote:
> To be honest, what amazes me is that CD was *ever* a popular portable
> medium. It would be difficult to design a medium *worse* for portable use
> LOL
The very first CD player that I ever owned was a portable. It was the
(probably original) Sony portable. It was not calle
>It is not, nor will it ever be, a replacement (or even serious
>competition) for CD portables.
To be honest, what amazes me is that CD was *ever* a popular portable
medium. It would be difficult to design a medium *worse* for portable use
LOL
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> It is not, nor will it ever be, a replacement (or even serious
competition)
> for CD portables.
Why must it be? Why can't CD and MD just live side-by-side as siblings? Why
can't stereos come standard with CD/MD features instead of CD/tape. Yes, a
handful of stereos DO have CD/MD, but these are
Not that this is on topic or anything but around 2k is pretty standard if
you are building a fairly cutting edge system (not exceptional). My last
(spring 2000) was just over 2k (not including monitor/printer/etc..) 500
might be ok for a out of the box cookie cutter non upgradable sortof web
surf
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Dan Frakes wrote:
> [...] Easily over $1000 for an entry-level machine,
> closer to $2000 for a good system.
Not to be nit-picky, but where'd you get these prices? Those are about
twice what you should be paying.
But I agree, it's still far more expensive.
Josh
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Don Capps wrote:
> You can disagree all you like Larry. But in AB comparison where A is the
> original cd and B is a 192kbps mp3 file, the file is sonically
> indistinguishable from the original cd. That was my point. And yes, that is
> on a high quality playback system. My Turtle Beach soundcar
> >...I would contend
> > that MD has not
> > exactly met with mainstream acceptance either and that it is
> > not going to do
> > so in the future. Both items are at present a small niche
> > market in the
> > larger audio equipment marketplace compared to the sales of
> > CD players, DVD
> > pl
From: "Richard Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Maybe this is so in the U.S. Here in NZ I would say MD acceptance is
similar to the reported position in the UK - two years ago no-one had heard
of it, now more and more people have portables, many people (maybe still not
most) have heard of the concep
From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To tell the truth, I never noticed any correlation between his
posting and my defense. I tend to jump to the defense of anyone I feel has
at least made a valid point, and I feel has dismissed out of hand.
I didn't dismiss him out of hand. I disagreed
>...I would contend
> that MD has not
> exactly met with mainstream acceptance either and that it is
> not going to do
> so in the future. Both items are at present a small niche
> market in the
> larger audio equipment marketplace compared to the sales of
> CD players, DVD
> players, and eve
From: "Dan Frakes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sorry, Don, but you're wrong on that one. Again, just because you can't
tell the difference doesn't mean others can't.
Again...I bow to the golden ears.
Don C.
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"Don Capps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can disagree all you like Larry. But in AB comparison where A is
>the original cd and B is a 192kbps mp3 file, the file is sonically
>indistinguishable from the original cd.
Don, you forgot to add the phrase "to my ears" at the end of that
statement
From: "Dan Frakes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> And you can't edit after you create, you can't record from a mic
All true. And all categories in which MD carries the day, hands down.
> and you can't take it with you...
Not true. I carry it with me all the time.
Don C.
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From: "Richard Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If you're talking about the general audio market (remember we are talking
about audio products), the expense of a computer does need to be factored
in.
Indeed. Point well made and well taken. But I would contend that MD has not
exactly met with mainstr
To tell the truth, I never noticed any correlation between his
posting and my defense. I tend to jump to the defense of anyone I feel
has at least made a valid point, and I feel has dismissed out of hand.
To tell the truth, I didn't even notice any correlation between you being
the one with
From: "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> yeah i wouldn't know the difference, but then again i lost my
hearing douring the war too
I'm sincerely sorry to hear that. I understand they're making great strides
with high fidelity hearing aids these days. Perhaps this link will be of
assistance :
h
From: "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I dont know what encoder your using, but personally i can still hear a
difference between 192 and an original CD, espeically with horns and
extremely tight low's.
Then I bow deeply to your obviously superior ears. I cannot hear that
difference and I liste
From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Not looking for a fight...just pointing out to you the hows of his
response.
Nah. Seems to me that every time I disagree with Francisco you have to chest
up. Are you two best buds or something?
Don C.
then again i lost my
hearing douring the war too
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From: "Don Capps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: MD: Best buy, phasing out MD equip ??
>
> From: "Dan Frakes"
> Seriously now. Do you have a computer? OK. Then you're almost
> there. Do you
> have a CD burner? They're getting pretty cheap of late ya know.
Cute answer, but it all depends who you're talking about and what products
you're comparing MP3s/Expanium to, doesn't it?
If you're talking about pe
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From: "Don Capps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: MD: Best buy, phasing out MD equip ??
>
> From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I disagree about the quality of MP3s and seri
Not looking for a fight...just pointing out to you the hows of his
response.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Don Capps wrote:
>
> From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Unfortunately, the statement says "Personally, I think...". It's not far
> fetched to take it to mean that you feel he's full of
From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Unfortunately, the statement says "Personally, I think...". It's not far
fetched to take it to mean that you feel he's full of it when you tell him
his statement is BS.
Geez guys. Do you just WANT to fight or what? I object to the statement.
Period. Th
From: "Dan Frakes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You have to buy a computer, a CD burner, the Expanium, and some discs just
to start using it. Easily over $1000 for an entry-level machine, closer to
$2000 for a good system.
Well Dan. You got me. I know when I've been licked. Darn. You do have to
have a
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:31:55 -0500 (EST), JT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You tell me. I can get a decent MD recorder for much $40-50USD less, and
>> not have to pay as much for the media. What's a CF card cost these days
>> for a card with enough capacity to hold an hour or so worth of music?
Don Capps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Francisco...what I'm REALLY trying to understand is exactly where I said you
> were "full of it".
>
> I objected to the following statement as bullshit...
>
> "Personally, I think MP3 players are a big hit with... ahem... how to put
> this politely... peo
From: "Francisco J. Huerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Don, you really have to understand that most of the people have their own
opinions. The fact that you don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm full of it.
Francisco...what I'm REALLY trying to understand is exactly where I said you
were "full of it"
> Are you trying to say that MD users never make copies of CDs which they
> don't actually own? Are you going to tell me that you've never made an MD
> copy of a friends CD or a borrowed CD?
No. I was implying that it is WAY more difficult to go through the whole
ordeal of buying and connecting
From: "Francisco J. Huerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Personally, I think MP3 players are a big hit with... ahem... how to put
this politely... people who don't like paying for their music (aka Napster
users). And that's it.
Are you trying to say that MD users never make copies of CDs which they
do
who don't like paying for their music (aka Napster
users). And that's it.
Francisco.
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From: "Gerard Naude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:37 AM
Subject: RE: MD: Best buy, phasing out MD
From: "Gerard Naude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> How long is this mp3 vs. md war going to last
Whew. Silly me. I didn't know there was a war on. :-)
> Face it. MD is best for portable recording. MP3 is best for portable
playing.
I quite agree. That's what I have said from the beginning.
Don C
From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I disagree about the quality of MP3s and seriously doubt that you can tell
the difference between an MP3 recorded at the "standard" 128 and 192Kbps.
All you are doing is using up more disc space.
You can disagree all you like Larry. But in AB comparison where A
How long is this mp3 vs. md war going to last
Face it. MD is best for portable recording. MP3 is best for portable
playing. MP3 players/MP3 cd players CAN'T record! So why are mp3 players
being compared to minidisc recorders? IMHO minidisc units that can only play
are a bit useless. If you o
Don Capps wrote:
> I wouldn't know Mike. My Expanium uses CD-R and CD-RW media which costs me
> approximately 80 cents per disc. And each disc has the capacity to hold well
> over one hundred songs even at high bitrates (say 192kbps). That works out
> to 8 plus hours of VERY high quality (ie: pr
From: "Robert J Lynn Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So? It still requires a computer ($500) and a CD-R burner ($120 old
model). I admit, i use my MD for most of my MP3 music on om computer, but I
like to take notes with my mic and record off friends at school. So, rules
out MP3.
Rob...if you'll read
From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You tell me. I can get a decent MD recorder for much $40-50USD less, and
not have to pay as much for the media. What's a CF card cost these days for
a card with enough capacity to hold an hour or so worth of music?
I wouldn't know Mike. My Expanium us
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t: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: MD: Best buy, phasing out MD equip ??
>
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Mike Burger wrote:
>
> > You tell me. I can get a decent MD recorder for much $40-50USD less,
and
> > not have to pay as much for the media. What's a CF card cos
Don Capps wrote:
> As for MP3 players...don't knock it until
> you've tried it. My Expanium is the best entertainment investment I've made
> in years. And at 199 USD how much more inexpensive does it have to get?
>
The Expandium is not an MP3 player in the classic usage of that phrase (when
pe
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Mike Burger wrote:
> You tell me. I can get a decent MD recorder for much $40-50USD less, and
> not have to pay as much for the media. What's a CF card cost these days
> for a card with enough capacity to hold an hour or so worth of music? A
> minidisc is about $1.20 to $1
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Don Capps wrote:
> The internet bubble? Internet use continues to grow daily with a slight
> slowdown but no sign of stopping. As for MP3 players...don't knock it until
> you've tried it. My Expanium is the best entertainment investment I've made
> in years. And at 199 USD ho
From: "Zaheer Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think MP3 players are massivley overhyped and will die down in the next
few years just like the Internet bubble...
The internet bubble? Internet use continues to grow daily with a slight
slowdown but no sign of stopping. As for MP3 player
not MD's are popular in the USA. Whats
important is what the individual prefers
Im happy with my MD recorder and will stick with it for a few years yet ...
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:27:23 -0500
>From: "Dan Scellen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: MD: Best buy, p
Dan Frakes wrote:
> Not I... I'd rather carry my E900 and five MDs that a player that holds
> CD-sized media any day of the week.
>
> Say what you will about compression -- and you know that I'm one who
> firmly believes there is an audible difference between CD and MD -- but
> for portable appl
las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But the 5 to 1 compression still has a psychological affect. Also, a
>CD holds the same amount of music, but 5 times the "information"
>since it is not compressed. but is CD is not 5 time bigger than an
>MD. I'm talking about the disc itself. I'd gladly accept t
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:26:03 -0600 (CST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W. Tamkin)
wrote:
>If you just subscribed to this list
Yes, I'm back after a two year leave of absence. Now that I've added a cd-rw to
my hi fi setup I actually have a renewed interest in MD. I bought into MD to
move my vinyl c
Larry said:
> But it doesn't look good for in the US at this point. People are so
stupid.
That's true. Just about a week ago, my 20 yr old brother started to use my
MDs. He has about 300 cassettes all of live recorded material, and he was
perfectly content with them. Well, after a week using
Dan Scellen wrote:
> That's true. Just about a week ago, my 20 yr old brother started to use my
> MDs. He has about 300 cassettes all of live recorded material, and he was
> perfectly content with them. Well, after a week using MDs, he said to me
> last night "Minidisc is the way to go. Why
"David W. Tamkin" wrote:
> I wouldn't say "danger," just "theoretical possibility." That thread was
> strictly speculation; having been computerless for six days, I was catching
> up with the list last night, so my post to it came later than everyone
> else's. If you just subscribed to this li
John Small quoted from a post of mine,
> If MD dies in the US
and commented,
| Sorry, I came in late on this thread. Is there some danger of the format
| dying in the US?
I wouldn't say "danger," just "theoretical possibility." That thread was
strictly speculation; having been computerless
I've always felt we've been the Betamax of the audio world... not a bad
thing, unless everyone stops marketing blanks.
(Remember Betamax? It was the format that was superior to VHS... and
disappeared.)
>
> Are we in danger of become another Betamax?
>
> -jts
> -
"Francisco J. Huerta" wrote:
> I've always felt we've been the Betamax of the audio world... not a bad
> thing, unless everyone stops marketing blanks.
>
> (Remember Betamax? It was the format that was superior to VHS... and
> disappeared.)
>
I know that this is getting way off of the topic. B
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:59:58 -0600 (CST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If MD dies in the US
Sorry, I came in late on this thread. Is there some danger of the format dying
in the US? It seems the blanks have become more plentiful so I assumed this
parallel and increase in the maket. No so?
Are
Larry wrote,
| As long as MD is big in Japan and there is an internet, there will always
| be a source of MD gear and blanks at competitive prices.
But what about repair and service? That is what concerns me.
For example, I just bought a JB940 by mail order, but the dealer is in the
US. I ca
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That doesn't make MD better than CD...just very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> .I (as usual) blame Sony...they invented the format and hogged it
> to themselves
> for too long and didn't push it nearly enough in the US and I thought the ads
> they had were obscure and ridiculouswell anyway...only cool people
> are into MD.
Don Capps wrote:
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I was always under the impression that MD was brought out to rpelace the
> Tape and not the CD.
>
> That's correct. It was.
>
Actually that is not the way that Mini Discs were marketed by Sony when they
were introduced in the US. They were bei
From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Actually that is not the way that Mini Discs were marketed by Sony when
they were introduced in the US. They were being pushed as a replacement for
the CD which after years of resistance had finally gained acceptance.
Sorry Larry...I don't think so. It was tou
* "Don Capps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 01 Feb 2001
| Sorry Larry...I don't think so. It was touted as a rewritable/recordable
| medium.
"I can record on a CD!"
That was Sony's original or second US ad campaign.
--
Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and
Minio
In my book, more convenient is better.
Mike Burger wrote:
>
> That doesn't make MD better than CD...just very much more convenient.
>
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, J. Coon wrote:
>
> > Try carrying a CD or two around in your pants pocket. Big difference!
> >
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Not just another pretty
<< I was always under the impression that MD was brought out to replace the
Tape
and not the CD.
But most people (including myself) seem to always get into the issue of
MD vs CD. >>
I own 2 stand alone CD recorders and a bunch of minidisc portables and
decks..I have to say the CD recorder
>
> Try carrying a CD or two around in your pants pocket. Big difference!
> --
And try changing a CD on a crowded bus! That's actually what got me into
MD. (Cringing at the memory of seeing a CD bouncing down the aisle of a
bus - fortunately not mine!)
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> I was always under the impression that MD was brought out to rpelace the
Tape and not the CD.
That's correct. It was.
Don C.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I was always under the impression that MD was brought out to rpelace the Tape
> and not the CD.
>
> But most people (including myself) seem to always get into the issue of
> MD vs CD.
Try carrying a CD or two around in your pants pocket. Big difference!
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>> This is so bloody ridiculous!! MD is far better than CD-R or CD-RW!
>
>Sorry. But here I cannot agree with you. How can a data compressed format
>possibly be superior to a properly dithered uncompressed digital recording?
>This statement just doesn't make sense.
>Don C.
I was always under the
I wish the local BestBuy, here, was the same way...3 portables (only 2 of
them recordable), one home (Sony CD->MD).
And their price on blanks is ridiculous...my wife got me an 8 pack,
there...$17. I wish I'd known...I'd have pointed her at Circuit City, at
the very least, or at Peter Forest or
From: "Donald Person" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well everyone -- I think we're fighting a losing battle. While I
personally love MD, I think it's dying out here in the US. The manufacturers
didn't do enough in the advertising department to begin with, and now many
manufacturers are pulling out of MD
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as for there not being much stuff at best buy,
Dan Scellen wrote:
> When I went to the same Best Buy a couple months ago to see about buying an
> MD minisystem, the salesperson tried to convince me that MD was dead. He
> said that it has no advantages over any other format. How can we expect MD
> to become mainstream like this? If I didn'
> there are NO stores in the Albany, NY area that carry a good selection!!
When I went to the same Best Buy a couple months ago to see about buying an
MD minisystem, the salesperson tried to convince me that MD was dead. He
said that it has no advantages over any other format. How can we expec
Donald Person wrote:
> Well everyone -- I think we're fighting a losing battle.
This isn't a fight. Who cares if the rest of the people in this country are
buying?
As long as MD is big in Japan and there is an internet, there will always be a
source of MD gear and blanks at competitive pr
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