Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread G Mann
. > > > > Biodiesels are higher, and burn cleaner due to their homogenous nature. > Diesel fuel is a distillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff > that never burns properly. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > >>From: Walt Zarno

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread dave walton
tillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff > that never burns properly. > > Peter > > -Original Message- >>From: Walt Zarnoch >>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM >>To: Mercedes Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether >> >>

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2011-07-19 Thread Peter Frederick
ature. Diesel fuel is a distillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff that never burns properly. Peter -Original Message- >From: Walt Zarnoch >Sent: Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether > >Yeah, I know we use c

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2011-07-19 Thread Walt Zarnoch
lly crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time. > > Peter > > -Original Message- >>From: Walt Zarnoch >>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM >>To: Mercedes Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether >> >>Tut tut, you do know tha

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2011-07-19 Thread Peter Frederick
ctane number with an opposite scale (the higher the number the more easily ti burns). Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time. Peter -Original Message- >From: Walt Zarnoch >Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient" natural gas in flares... Walt On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM, wrote: >>>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his > engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly > realized that ha

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread rogerhga
>>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work. 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best. <

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2011-07-18 Thread Dieselhead
Peanut oil, but the tolerances have been a lot tighter for the past 30-70 years and pumps made to run on petro diesel do not necessarily run at max efficiency on used veg oil.. Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the "don't use WVO team. What did Mr. Diesel

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread Peter Frederick
Yes, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work. It's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best. Peter

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2011-07-18 Thread Peter Frederick
Gel point is vastly different for #2 diesel and vegetable oil -- #2 has a pour point as low as -30F, and I doubt veggie oil, particularly used veggie oil, will be fluid enough to pour at 10 F, let along -30. Not all #2 has a pour point that low, but it can. There are two larger problems, f

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread Rolf
d "free the farmer". In fact Nitske indicates that many fuels were attempted before settling on what we now call diesel fuel... -Curt Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:34:29 -0700 From: G Mann To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether Message-ID: Content-Type: t

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2011-07-18 Thread Curt Raymond
ng on what we now call diesel fuel... -Curt Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:34:29 -0700 From: G Mann To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to th

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread G Mann
Since Mercedes and Bosch didn't "re-invent" the diesel engine they only optimized it to accept schedule 52 diesel as the common fuel there seems to be an element of confusion. Vegetable oil when supplied to the Bosch IP and a Mercedes engine at viscosity and temperature that will permit acceptable

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread Max Dillon
You go right ahead and get yourself an engine designed by Ruddy, the engine in my car (and probably the one in yours) was designed and built to use #2 diesel. So, does your state law allow you to drive on public roads without paying your fare share of fuel tax? Max -- Sent from my Android phon

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Coal dust, then peanut oil. What did Mercedes and BOSCH design this engine to run on though? There will also be a test. Walt On Jul 18, 2011 8:34 PM, "G Mann" wrote: > Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the > "don't use WVO team. > > What did Mr. Diesel desig

Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread G Mann
Been following this thread for a few days now and have ONE question to the "don't use WVO team. What did Mr. Diesel design the diesel engine to run on originally? There will be a test later, so answer carefully. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > I would be a long way toward c

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2011-07-18 Thread Max Dillon
I would be a long way toward convinced WVO is Ok if someone would do before and after engine oil analysis (with the fuel as the only variable), but haven't found a WVO proponent willing to indulge me yet. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. andrew strasf

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2011-07-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
*I guess the best way to test the dueling hypotheses on the engine killing vs. engine cleaning properties of WVO would be to use a throwaway 300D one buys for no more than $300 a a guinea pic. Such examples of driveable rust buckets probably wouldn't be that hard to find.* On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at

[MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-18 Thread Rick Hawkins Java
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: About 10k miles ago, the car wouldn't start without starting fluid even when the temps for 50F or more. Wow! You do like to gamble!!! WVO, unheated - there seems to be enough data to suggest this isn't low-risk. Using ether in an pre-chamber engine is akin to Rus