On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 09:06:08AM +0200, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> 1. use the same placenames already used for other bootleg
>recordings (I can give you a list, based on the database dump)
Er, this is exactly the point. We're using two names for the same place and
I asked which we should use.
documented in
the wiki as a proposal so that everyone has some frame of reference to this
converstion and the loose consensus.
Cristov (wolfsong)
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From: Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MusicBrainz style discussion
Subject: Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations
Dat
> Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
> > (English seems the best choice), because when we make the database
> > smarter [...] it'll be much easier to make an automatic conversion.
>
> If there ever is such a function, it surely won't be much
> more difficult to convert locations named in other languages.
>
> Cristov Russell wrote:
> > If an Italian artist performs in Spain they obviously have Spanish
> > fans so why should a recording by a Spanish, French or English fan
> > arbitrarly use the language of the performer?
>
> But I think we both agree that we should use the language the
> fans would
Lars Aronsson wrote:
Perhaps MB could just adopt the names used in Wikipedia's article
headings and URLs, e.g. "London" to mean London, England, or
"London, Arkansas" refering to the lesser known place with 925
inhabitants.
This bears a great problem: on Wikipedia, you only have to name an
a
Cristov Russell wrote:
If an Italian artist performs in Spain they obviously have Spanish fans so
why should a recording by a Spanish, French or English fan arbitrarly use
the language of the performer?
But I think we both agree that we should use the language the fans would
expect, or don't w
Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
(English seems the best choice), because when we make the
database smarter [...] it'll be much easier to make an automatic conversion.
If there ever is such a function, it surely won't be much more difficult
to convert locations named in other languages.
But this is not
Lars Aronsson wrote:
What I'm suggesting is simply that we could write in the
guidelines that bootleg locations should
1. use the same placenames already used for other bootleg
recordings (I can give you a list, based on the database dump)
2. for new locations, use placenames from article
Steve Wyles wrote:
> I know you're a big advocate of Wikipedia. But, being
> technically dependant on another data repository for this isn't
> practical. I sorry to say that Wikipedia has had more downtime
> or been inaccessible more often than MusicBrainz.
Back when this was at its worst, in
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has deciding which language to use for a bootleg release become much of
an issue on MB yet?
i know that i previously said that the information should be the same as
on the ticket of the event.. but now I'm starting to feel that we
shouldn't have a guid
> dj empirical wrote:
> > i think that with bootlegs, what the artist does often has
> no bearing
> > on anything! :)
>
> Eh ... of course not!
>
> But that's not the point! However, an artist performing in
> Italian exclusively will most likely have most fans in Italy,
> and almost all fans
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Adam Golding wrote:
On 4/23/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nikki wrote:
Should UK countries be included?
I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not
include all subnational states, but only for larger states.
But should it be
Adam Golding wrote:
> On 4/23/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nikki wrote:
> > > Should UK countries be included?
> >
> > I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not
> > include all subnational states, but only for larger states.
> > But should it be limited to USA and C
On 4/26/06, Orion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
> > That being said, I think we should insist on using a single language
> > everywhere (English seems the best choice), because when we make the
> > database smarter (and perhaps the location and date of bootlegs will
> > be a fi
Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
That being said, I think we should insist on using a single language
everywhere (English seems the best choice), because when we make the
database smarter (and perhaps the location and date of bootlegs will
be a field) it'll be much easier to make an automatic conversion.
Af
On 4/26/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMO it should be at the moderators discretion. it's what's useful to
> the users that is most important. since it's a free-text field
> (album/track title), there's no reason to unify the data.
So, we should have some guidelines, to make data
On 25/04/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:46:23PM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote:
> > IMO it should be at the moderators discretion. it's what's useful to
> > the users that is most important. since it's a free-text field
> > (album/track title), there's no reason to u
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:46:23PM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote:
> IMO it should be at the moderators discretion. it's what's useful to
> the users that is most important. since it's a free-text field
> (album/track title), there's no reason to unify the data. If a french
> user adds french language
On 25/04/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would definitely prefer the local name, not only because this is the
> > official name, and we prefer official data almost everywhere. We might
> > still add the English name in an annotation.
>
> Yet we use the English name of the country. I thin
dj empirical wrote:
i think that with bootlegs, what the artist does often has no bearing
on anything! :)
Eh ... of course not!
But that's not the point! However, an artist performing in Italian
exclusively will most likely have most fans in Italy, and almost all
fans would rather like to s
On 4/25/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But we could at least agree on using the artist's preferred language.
> E.g if an artist, who uses Italian lyrics exclusively, performs in
> Spain, why should the location read "Seville, Spain" instead of
> "Siviglia, Spagna"? That would most like
Nikki wrote:
Yet we use the English name of the country. I think we should probably go
with the English names with the English names of the countries, if only
because they're more commonly used (and we can't force anyone to
add data using local names).
But we could at least agree on using the a
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:31:57PM -0500, Orion wrote:
> In large part it's from the bootlegs being of English artists performing
> in countries that aren't predominantly English.
Agreed there.
> "Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan" feels odd for some reason
It sounds fine to me in English, but I don't kn
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 10:49:39PM +0200, derGraph wrote:
> I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all
> subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited
> to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China?
There is no line and I'm not drawing o
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 07:30:08AM -0400, Adam Golding wrote:
> people shoudl have the option of adding as much info as they want to.
> I'm generally against anything that restricts the amount of information
> that can go into MB...
We're not saying people can't include highly detailed information
Adam Golding wrote:
people shoudl have the option of adding as much info as they want to. I'm
generally against anything that restricts the amount of information that can
go into MB...
Some limits seem reasonable though.
http://musicbrainz.org/track/6bf048fe-f666-4bae-ba66-5caf31af401f.html
On 4/23/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nikki wrote:> Should UK countries be included?I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include allsubnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limitedto USA and Canada? What about
e.g. Russia and China?people shou
Nikki schreef:
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:52:41PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote:
Holland is definitely wrong. I usually use 'The Netherlands' and probably
am responsible for renaming most titles ;) I think 'The' should be
included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better.
I d
I vote for simple "Netherlands", since that seems to be official.
On 4/25/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/23/06, Cristov Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think 'The'
> > > should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I
> > > like it better.
>
> > Ummm the '
On 4/23/06, Cristov Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think 'The'
> > should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I
> > like it better.
> Ummm the 's' makes it plural not "The". :-)
True :) Anyway, I've decided I really don't care what we decide to
use, as long as it's consiste
I'd go with Netherlands.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:42:13 +0100
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On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:52:41PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote:
> Holland is definitely wrong. I usually use 'The Netherlands' and probably
> am responsible for renaming most titles ;) I think 'The' should be
> included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better.
I do think "the Netherla
Oh and I think it should be Washington D.C., sans comma. With a comma it
makes D.C. look like a state which really isn't accurate.
Cristov (wolfsong)
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On 4/23/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nikki wrote:
> > Should we use the local or English form of names when both exist?
> I would definitely prefer the local name, not only because this is the
> official name, and we prefer official data almost everywhere. We might
> still add the Engl
derGraph wrote:
Nikki wrote:
I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all
subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited
to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China?
...
Why is this anyway? This seems like an artefact of a long-gone
Nikki wrote:
Should UK countries be included?
I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all
subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited
to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China?
Should we use the local or English form of names
> I think 'The'
> should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I
> like it better.
>
> zout (from the Netherlands)
>
> --
> Jan van Thiel
--
Ummm the 's' makes it plural not "The". :-)
Cristov (wolfsong)
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On 4/22/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I
> noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much
> and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A
> general style appears to
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 01:16:20AM +0200, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> Very interesting statistics, but is it really realistic to impose
> stricter rules for how users should name things?
They're not rules, they're guidelines. I also know I'm not the only person
who has wondered whether to write "UK", "
Nikki wrote:
> I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs
> [1] and I noticed [...] we should be a bit more consistent. :)
Very interesting statistics, but is it really realistic to impose
stricter rules for how users should name things? Aren't computers
a lot better at fo
great email
Nikki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I
> noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much
> and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A
> general style appears to have emer
Hi,
I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I
noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much
and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A
general style appears to have emerged in some places and I'd like to get
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